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Direct Action fraud exposure iminent

lakeland27 — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 04:16:11 GMT

Slowly, inexorably, we are inching towards the time when one of the greatest fudges in recent Australian politics will be exposed.

Tony Abbott’s political demolition of the former government’s carbon pricing scheme was based not on what many in his party believe – that climate change is not happening and there is therefore no need to do anything at all – but rather on the assertion that the Coalition could achieve “the same” environmental benefit in an almost pain-free way.

The painlessness and effectiveness of the Coalition’s Direct Action plan has long been disputed. Study after study has concluded that it would actually require far more than the allocated money ($300m, $500m, $750m and then – at least according to the original document – $1bn a year until 2020) to achieve emissions reductions, but the environment minister, Greg Hunt, simply brushed them all aside and insisted his plan would work. Since it was always so vaguely defined it was difficult for those with doubts to pursue the debate.

And post-election it turns out that “the same” environmental benefit might well be the very bare minimum 5% reduction by 2020, despite the Coalition having promised in writing to increase that target under specific circumstances. The independent regulator (which the Coalition is seeking to abolish) says under the agreed conditions it should now be trebled. The Coalition says it is sticking with 5%.

But on both these fronts – the effectiveness and cost of the policy and the target it will need to achieve – a moment of truth is imminent.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/11/direct-actions-moment-of-truth-is-imminent

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lakeland27 — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 04:19:37 GMT

The government now has to implement Direct Action. It will set up its emissions reduction fund that will pay for what may well be useful emissions-reducing things. But it must also legislate the other parts of the Direct Action “plan”, including the “baselines” to ensure polluting industries don’t, as the minister puts it, “go rogue” and increase their emissions and undo (in terms of national emission reductions) all the good done by the projects paid for from the emissions reduction fund.

Emissions from new state-of-the-art plants or mines or land clearing are not considered “rogue” under the plan, which raises another whole set of questions about how the emissions from massive new coal mines, or from weakened land clearing laws in Queensland will impact on Australia’s ability to meet an overall emissions reduction target, even with reducing electricity demand.

But as well as that, industry is now waging a concerted campaign to water down the baselines against which any “rogue” behaviour by existing operations may be measured.

The government’s Direct Action “green paper” suggests it might do this using the already-existing reporting scheme, from mid next year, with some kind of “safeguard” mechanisms to rein in companies that exceed their baseline.

The Minerals Council doesn’t like that idea. It points out that as ore grades decline it will take more energy for existing mines to produce and process the same amount, and “gassier” coal deposits will be have to be accessed, and therefore the existing baseline might be too tough and the government might have to allow it to be varied – upwards of course.

The LNG (liquefied natural gas) industry points out that production is set to treble over the next six years, and baselines will need to take account of that.

The Australian Industry group argues that “baselines” for manufacturers would have to take account of the fact that gas prices are set to rise and many factories will switch back to electricity generated from coal. It concludes it might be better not to have “baselines” at all.

But without some limit on overall emissions, the Coalition’s emissions reduction fund will be like plugging a tiny hole in a **bleep** that is leaking torrents in other places.

At the same time, the government’s insistence that a 5% reduction by 2020 represents Australia’s “fair share” in global greenhouse efforts is also starting to sound hollow. By April it needs to tell the UN whether it will increase its 2020 target, and British economist Lord Stern recently told Guardian Australia that re-submitting 5% will look “weak”, as if “Australia is just not serious”.

By April next year the government will be expected to say what target it is prepared to adopt post-2020. According to leaks, the IPCC report to be released Sunday night will recommend that countries like Australia need to make very large emission reductions – perhaps 50% by 2030 – while major emerging economies like China will need to start reducing emissions in absolute terms, rather than just slowing their growth.

Others, including the United States, the European Union and China, are well advanced in talks about their increased commitments.

But according to the available modelling, even if Australia spent $88bn from 2014 to 2050 on Direct Action-type policies, emissions would still rise by around 45%. Most economists conclude that big emissions reductions under Direct Action are just not possible.

That’s exactly the point former Liberal leader Malcolm Turnbull was making when he explained in 2011 that continuing to use a big government taxpayer-funded scheme to reduce emissions in the long term would "become a very expensive charge on the budget in the years ahead".

Tony Abbott dismissed the modelling of Direct Action during the election campaign, saying the Coalition intended to “have a crack” at implementing the policy, rather than commission alternative modelling, and that even if it didn’t meet the 5% target, no more money would be allocated.

But as pressure builds domestically and internationally for Australia to do more, and to explain how we will actually do it, that kind of answer just won’t cut it. Reality will meet slogan.

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donnashuggy — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 04:38:26 GMT

Direct Action was not intended as something to deal with climate, it was purely and simply a way to get into government.

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lakeland27 — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 05:35:29 GMT

hunt keeps sidestepping these questions . any comments nero ?

direct action is a dud that will cost us billions. can you justify it ?

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donnashuggy — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 05:39:07 GMT

It's just a nasty nasty great big tax

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lakeland27 — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 05:42:38 GMT

its far worse than that. it leaves us with a future bill of mammoth size and doesn't do anything. a major con -job. i wish nero would step in and defend it .

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donnashuggy — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 05:44:10 GMT

@lakeland27 wrote:
its far worse than that. it leaves us with a future bill of mammoth size and doesn't do anything. a major con -job. i wish nero would step in and defend it .

I wish he would read this

http://inside.org.au/direct-action-subsidies-wrong-way-go-back/

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donnashuggy — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 05:47:40 GMT

This in particular:

Direct Action, on the other hand, is funded by revenue from existing taxes. To pretend that Direct Action has nothing to do with taxes is misleading. As the old saying goes, “to spend is to tax.” Direct Action taxes the broader community and gives the proceeds to carbon emitters. The carbon price, by contrast, takes money from emitters and recycles it to the broader economy, including via income tax cuts and higher welfare payments. - See more at: http://inside.org.au/direct-action-subsidies-wrong-way-go-back/#sthash.EfVqDzU9.dpuf

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boris1gary — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 05:54:59 GMT

oh dear..........

To understand this "voluntary approach" to climate change policy, you need to understand where Abbott and the Coalition are coming from: a position of denial that climate change is real and driven by human activity. In addition to saying "climate change is **bleep**", in a more considered interview with the ABC's Four Corners, Abbott said:

"I have pointed out in the past that there was that high year a few years ago and the warming, if you believe various measuring organisations, hasn't increased … the point is not the science, the point is how should government respond, and we have a credible response."

If you don't believe that global warming is real, then the "direct action" policy could be considered "credible".

An increasing number of Coalition members are climate denialists.

Senator Cory Bernardi, in between comparing same-sex marriage to bestiality, has declared climate change science to be "increasingly discredited"

. Kevin Andrews has expressed doubts about the human factor in climate change.

Almost all Tasmanian Liberal senators have expressed the same doubts– Stephen Parry, Guy Barnett, Eric Abetz and David Bushby.

The ABC reported that former Liberal senator and Abbott mentor Nick Minchin said "a majority [of Coalition MPs] don't accept" that human activity is causing climate change.

It seems that Abbott has taken as his main scientific adviser on climate change the discredited denialist Ian Plimer – a geologist by training. Abbott has ignored the advice of the CSIRO and the Bureau of Meteorology – two leading climate research institutes – as well as the Australian Academy of Science's report on the science of climate change.

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spotweldersfriend — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 05:55:20 GMT

More largesse for big business from this mob at the taxpayers expense,with no impact on carbon emission reduction.This calls for a major inquiry or a Royal Commission into this governments handouts to big business.

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nero_bolt — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 05:55:55 GMT

Poor alarmists must be so hard *giggle*

Excellent read here for the alarmists

http://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/No-global-warming-for-17-years-8-months/m-p/1141723#M309286

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nero_bolt — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 05:56:39 GMT

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boris1gary — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 05:59:32 GMT

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boris1gary — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 06:00:48 GMT

@lakeland27 wrote:
hunt keeps sidestepping these questions . any comments nero ?
direct action is a dud that will cost us billions. can you justify it ?

apparently not, cartoons though.

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joz*garage — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 06:19:04 GMT

do i see an outing?! *chuckles

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donnashuggy — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 06:32:21 GMT

@joz*garage wrote:
do i see an outing?! *chuckles

I see someone incapable of defending Direct Action.

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just_me_karen — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 06:47:58 GMT

Nero giggles can u please explain to me how direct action will work when national parks are unlocked for clear felling whilst a green army of unprotected slaves plants trees.

How many baby trees will we need to plant to cover the carbon load of each massive old growth rainforest tree?

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spotweldersfriend — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 06:48:16 GMT

I've been an adviser to heads of state in the past.I just wish they'd called on me before deciding on this course of (in)action 😞

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boris1gary — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 07:01:13 GMT

@just_me_karen wrote:
Nero giggles can u please explain to me how direct action will work when national parks are unlocked for clear felling whilst a green army of unprotected slaves plants trees.

How many baby trees will we need to plant to cover the carbon load of each massive old growth rainforest tree?

clearly the answer is 7 - 4 + 4 which is 3. giggle, giggle, snort. snort, hiccup, hiccup.......

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lakeland27 — Sun, 13 Apr 2014 07:04:48 GMT

@nero_wulf wrote:
Poor alarmists must be so hard *giggle*

Excellent read here for the alarmists

http://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/No-global-warming-for-17-years-8-months/m-p/1141723#M309286

this is in fact fairly correct nero. someone seems to actually get it. so it must get a green tinge.