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Morrison destroys careers

lakeland27 — Thu, 17 Apr 2014 06:32:25 GMT

I'm sure some navy officers have placed pictures of scotty on the dartboard as a result of this http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-17/navy-officer-demoted-over-incursions-during-asylum-seeker-op/5397586

Re: Morrison destroys careers

freakiness — Thu, 17 Apr 2014 06:37:05 GMT

@lakeland27 wrote:
I'm sure some navy officers have placed pictures of scotty on the dartboard as a result of this http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-17/navy-officer-demoted-over-incursions-during-asylum-seeker-op/5397586

It's a bit low to blame the Navy personnel who only followed his instruction.

Did you read the one about the Indonesians saying they have reached an agreement with Australia to not send boats back, while Morrison says that's not true and he will continue to send them back?

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i-need-a-martini — Thu, 17 Apr 2014 06:38:16 GMT

How can that be?

After the gung-ho attitude of Morrison and Abbott, how can Navy personnel have the blame laid at their feet?

It's a pretty stupid thing to do when you are relying on these people to carry out your dirty work. I imagine that our defence forces boys might think differently about how serious they will take the governments policies.

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spotweldersfriend — Thu, 17 Apr 2014 06:39:39 GMT

Scapegoating.

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lakeland27 — Thu, 17 Apr 2014 06:40:04 GMT

yes, now its a matter of sitting back and waiting for a whistleblower to appear with the murk. secrets are going to be exposed eventually.

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donnashuggy — Thu, 17 Apr 2014 07:03:15 GMT

I think they went further than we have been told, and repeatedly.

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lakeland27 — Thu, 17 Apr 2014 08:18:47 GMT

how does the beach sound ?

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donnashuggy — Thu, 17 Apr 2014 08:26:18 GMT

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just_me_karen — Thu, 17 Apr 2014 11:31:13 GMT

I think it's a swipe at Morisson and abbott, for forcing navy personnel to get involved in politics.

It wasnt the defence minister who did it, but the head of Navy.

I reckon the message is "navy is independent and even if dodgy politicians tell us to do their dirty work, it doesn't mean you breach navy standards"

And I also reckon they'd predict the fallout.

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ca04 — Thu, 17 Apr 2014 22:19:51 GMT

How may people realise that the nautical boundary is not clear and in places it overlaps

also in places the seabed ownership invades the nautical boundaries both ways?

Apart from that our pollies are getting lower and scurvier.

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icyfroth — Thu, 17 Apr 2014 22:34:02 GMT

It's probably just a pretendy rap over the knuckles.

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colic2bullsgirlore — Thu, 17 Apr 2014 22:51:17 GMT

It would be clearer if the ADF "hot issue briefs" were still being released....

None have been released since the 6th September 2013..... ie. since the election...

I know an investigative journalist who is working on this right now

...... it will not be long and there will be some major asscovering operations in progress....

...... an excerpt below on why the briefs were to be released........

Public Release of Hot Issue Briefs

The Black Review of the Defence Accountability Framework challenged Defence to enhance individual and collective accountability.

Placing on the public record Defence's advice to the Minister for Defence on these issue - including instances of inappropriate behaviour - is a part of that accountability.

In keeping with improved accountability within the Department of Defence, from 20 January 2012,

Hot Issue Briefs submitted to the Minister for Defence by the Department of Defence will be publicly released.

http://www.defence.gov.au/publications/HotIssueBriefs/

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colic2bullsgirlore — Thu, 17 Apr 2014 23:04:46 GMT

.... however......the ADF website has ....amazingly..... been able to update their "spin' pages (see the links) a great

example below of "splitting hairs"

http://www.defence.gov.au/coi/index.htm

http://news.defence.gov.au/category/on-the-record/

4 March 2014

Response to ABC’s 730 report on the Defence Abuse Response Taskforce, 27 February 2014

The story titled Navy gang rape victim breaks silence in search for treatment that aired on the ABC’s 7.30 program on 27 February 2014 and appears on the program’s website, contains significant factual errors.

The story relies on the journalist’s assertion that the Defence Abuse Response Taskforce (DART) is part of Defence and speaks for Defence. This is wrong.

The DART was established by the previous Government – not by the Department of Defence – in response to the DLA Piper Review. Even the most perfunctory research would have found that the DART is administered by the Attorney General’s Department to ensure it remains completely independent from the Department of Defence.

The story then draws from findings of the DART, yet because the DART’s independence was not determined by the journalist, and therefore not made clear, those findings are falsely attributed to Defence. Of most concern are the claims made by the journalist that “…the Defence Department no longer disputes the incident took place…” and that “…by the Defence Department’s own admission [name withheld] case has been mismanaged”. Defence is not the source of these statements. This was not made clear at all in the story.

By confusing the DART with Defence, the story implies a difference of opinion between Defence and the Department of Veterans’ Affairs (DVA). This again is wrong. It is important to understand that the DART assesses claims on the basis of ‘plausibility’, while Defence and DVA are required to apply a different standard of proof in dealing with such matters as per the obligations of the applicable legislation. The standard of proof Defence and DVA are required to apply is illustrated in various decisions of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal. Therefore any determination of plausibility by the DART does not automatically infer Defence’s acceptance of a claim as implied in the ABC story. The difference between the tests of proof was drawn to the journalist’s attention by Defence before the story aired.

The story is devoid of any sense of the purpose of the DART, how it performs its tasks and its relationship with Defence. Defence participates in the DART process in good faith and with good intentions, evident in the Chief of the Defence Force’s (CDF) personal participation and that of the Defence leadership. Given the sensitivities of the claims before the DART, Defence will not engage in detailed public discussion about specific claims, such as those described in the story, particularly while we are working with the individual to address them. To do so would undermine our genuine efforts to engage with complainants in order to understand and address their concerns and may also cause them further harm or distress.

The journalist also wrongly referred to the “Navy Skype sex scandal”. This was not a Navy incident. The ABC’s disregard for accuracy in favour of sensationalism works to undermine the community’s trust and respect for the men and women of the ADF.

General David Hurley, AC, DSC
Chief of the Defence Force

Re: Morrison destroys careers

icyfroth — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 00:36:24 GMT

is there a point in amongst all that text, colics?