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The Irani Way...

*crikey*mate* — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 02:16:21 GMT

Mother saves life of son's killer in Iran

Murder and several other crimes are punishable by death in Iran.

But under the country's interpretation of Islamic laws in force since the 1979 revolution, a victim's family has the right to spare a convict's life in return for financial payment.

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I agree with the Death Penalty for some crimes.

I'm not sure that I like the idea of a victim's family being able to grant immunity, and definitely not for money.

I think that provides an opportunity for extortion, blackmail and corruption and potentially pardons some of society's most detestable beings whilst others may not be able to raise the funds to pay off the hangman.

Re: The Irani Way...

lakeland27 — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 02:29:39 GMT

I actually found that story a lot more satisfying than the clogged death row situation in the states. The victims mother showing forgiveness.. seeing the stupidity of old testament 'eye for eye' (islam and christendom aren't too different) makes that woman an enlightened person in my book. like the chap kenny from adelaide who lost his son in Bali, she was able to rise above the primitive base instincts such as revenge. that is a story of hope.

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2106greencat — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 02:38:37 GMT

Sold her ~~soul~~ son to the devil

No amount of money would be enough for me to 'forgive' the killer of one of my children, whether it be DP, life or whatever - my children mean more to me than a quick buck, and I would want the perpetrator to pay to the fullest extent of the law in whatever country I resided.

If she forgave for the sake of her belief or her God - that's fine, but for the sake of financial gain, she didn't deserve her son in the first place IMO.

Re: The Irani Way...

lakeland27 — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 02:42:02 GMT

i read another version of the story that was less focused on islam bashing. the womans motivation for forgiveness was not money but empathy.. but hey, newsltd look for as many anti-islam iranian stories as they can get their bigot mitts on.

Re: The Irani Way...

lakeland27 — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 02:50:13 GMT

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/16/iran-parents-halt-killer-execution

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freshwater-2 — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 02:52:43 GMT

newsltd look for as many anti-islam iranian stories as they can get their bigot mitts on.

I agree LL. Having spent a considerable time in the middle east in a previous life, I found Iranians kind, very well educated, aware, surprisingly westerised, honest and compasionate. I understand the mother's motives.

Iran was the only ME country where I felt safe on my own, and felt welcomed by the people who respect western women..

I believe nothing that is printed in the the Murdoch tabloids about Iran and its people.

Re: The Irani Way...

2106greencat — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 02:53:34 GMT

Reacted to the OP - and I stand by that.

Have to admit, I rarely click on links so did not know there was another side, still, easy to say one thing and mean another hey?

Of course no-one would 'admit' to money being the reason - they need to remove money from the equation - Forgive or not ?

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icyfroth — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 03:02:22 GMT

It depends on the circumstances.

Say in the case of Oscar Pistorius. If I was Reeva's mother I think I would understand that Oscar had been off his face on drugs that night and didn't realise what he'd done til he'd come back down.

I think I could forgive him while grieving for my daughter.

Say if it was in the case of Simon Gittany in throwning Lisa Harnum off the balcony. I'd want to stab him in the eye with my car key if they let me close enough.

Re: The Irani Way...

chuk_77 — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 03:02:39 GMT

doesnt really matter if you like it or not does it?

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2106greencat — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 03:04:23 GMT

Too true chuk - we can't all agree to the different ways of the different lands, whatever works for them I guess.

*waves hi*

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icyfroth — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 03:04:56 GMT

@2106greencat wrote:
Reacted to the OP - and I stand by that.

Have to admit, I rarely click on links so did not know there was another side, still, easy to say one thing and mean another hey?

Of course no-one would 'admit' to money being the reason - they need to remove money from the equation - Forgive or not ?

People rarely click on the links, I've found, cat. I hardly ever do unless I'm really really really interested.

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2106greencat — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 03:07:41 GMT

see that's my prblem Icy - I read the OP, can't be bothered with the link, and then just shoot from the hip LOL

i'll learn one day

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nah, I prolly won't, I'll just keep doin' it, coz it's fun!

Re: The Irani Way...

lakeland27 — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 03:08:46 GMT

@2106greencat wrote:
Reacted to the OP - and I stand by that.

Have to admit, I rarely click on links so did not know there was another side, still, easy to say one thing and mean another hey?

Of course no-one would 'admit' to money being the reason - they need to remove money from the equation - Forgive or not ?

well i would admit that if someone did something similar to one of my own chuldren i might react with violence. i'm not violent generally and i oppose the death penalty.. but i am capable of it . i've found that out the hard way .

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icyfroth — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 03:13:20 GMT

@2106greencat wrote:
see that's my prblem Icy - I read the OP, can't be bothered with the link, and then just shoot from the hip LOL

i'll learn one day

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nah, I prolly won't, I'll just keep doin' it, coz it's fun!

You'd have to have a lot of time on your hands to read every bloody link, cat. Actually, unless the poster puts some kind of pre-story or title to the their link, I rarely bother with clicking on to it.

Too much other stuff to read.

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chuk_77 — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 03:20:02 GMT

*waves back

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*crikey*mate* — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 03:28:51 GMT

I just find the money exchange to be a bit off. Whichever country, culture or law it is.

What happens to those who can't raise enough money to buy their forgiveness?

How can it be a just system of law when some people have access to immunity but not others, even though their crimes may be similar?

If you're going to have the death penalty, then I reckon you have to have it, not just a Claytons one where money and emotion decide the outcome. I reckon it needs to be applied impartially, without emotion or consideration of money or status.

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*crikey*mate* — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 03:34:30 GMT

@lakeland27 wrote:
I actually found that story a lot more satisfying than the clogged death row situation in the states. The victims mother showing forgiveness.. seeing the stupidity of old testament 'eye for eye' (islam and christendom aren't too different) makes that woman an enlightened person in my book. like the chap kenny from adelaide who lost his son in Bali, she was able to rise above the primitive base instincts such as revenge. that is a story of hope.

I liked how she slapped him.

I would have liked the situation a whole lot more if money wasn't involved. I don't get why a law would leave immunity up to those who can generate enough money to buy it.

I reckon if immunity is to be a possibility, then it needs to be applied equally.

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lakeland27 — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 03:35:24 GMT

i think the issue of money the least significant aspect of the story.

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*crikey*mate* — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 03:40:28 GMT

that story aside, it is obviously a consideration under Sharia Law and a part of that culture.

It surprised me. We studied Sharia Law at uni, but we never learned about that.

Re: The Irani Way...

*crikey*mate* — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 03:44:29 GMT

@diamond-halo wrote:

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I agree with the Death Penalty for some crimes.

I'm not sure that I like the idea of a victim's family being able to grant immunity, and definitely not for money.

I think that provides an opportunity for extortion, blackmail and corruption and potentially pardons some of society's most detestable beings whilst others may not be able to raise the funds to pay off the hangman.

THIS was my comment and point for the thread, what I wrote in the OP.

The inequalities of a legal system.

There is no need to make it about anything else or to inject nefarious intentions and inferences.