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How does the Royal thing work?

*crikey*mate* — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 04:21:05 GMT

If George had have been a Georgina, being the first born, would she have gotten to be Queen one day, even if she got a younger brother, or would the female be bypassed in favour of the male?

Re: How does the Royal thing work?

polksaladallie — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 04:23:22 GMT

I would hope that she learns the Queen's English.

Re: How does the Royal thing work?

2106greencat — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 04:32:21 GMT

NO - William is next in line after the old fart Charles (who one seriously hopes will never take the throne - JMO)

Let's say Charles is the monarch for the sake of the OP.

If William and Kate had a girl, and William died, the succession would go to Harry as next in line to the throne, so long as the reigining monarch (Charlie) was on the throne.

The only reason the Queen became the Queen was she had no siblings other than a younger sister at the time of her fathers (reigning monarchs) death.

If William was made King prior to his death, then the sons or daughters from he and Kate would take succession, male first.

In this situation the only way a Queen can be the monarch is as the spouse of the reigning king.

I think

Re: How does the Royal thing work?

cezm — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 04:32:45 GMT

Georgina would have been Queen ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2054467/UK-royal-succession-laws-Commonwealth-agrees-historic-change-sex-equality.html

Re: How does the Royal thing work?

spotweldersfriend — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 04:36:12 GMT

To answer that question,you'll have to ask Liz 😉

Re: How does the Royal thing work?

2106greencat — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 04:40:29 GMT

God in Heaven, I just had a thought

What if Will and Harry pop off, and Charlie and Camilla have a boy ?

*shudders*

Re: How does the Royal thing work?

chuk_77 — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 04:42:56 GMT

cat! stop thinking right now!!

Re: How does the Royal thing work?

ambercat16 — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 04:43:06 GMT

@2106greencat wrote:
NO - William is next in line after the old fart Charles (who one seriously hopes will never take the throne - JMO)

Let's say Charles is the monarch for the sake of the OP.

If William and Kate had a girl, and William died, the succession would go to Harry as next in line to the throne, so long as the reigining monarch (Charlie) was on the throne.

The only reason the Queen became the Queen was she had no siblings other than a younger sister at the time of her fathers (reigning monarchs) death.

If William was made King prior to his death, then the sons or daughters from he and Kate would take succession, male first.

In this situation the only way a Queen can be the monarch is as the spouse of the reigning king.

I think

Wasn't the right of succession changed before William and Kate married so that the gender of their firstborn would not matter? So, if George was Georgiana, yes she would be next in line after William even if she subsequently had a brother.

But, you are correct in that if William dies before becoming king, Harry would be king after Charles and the line would then continue with Harry's children (if any).

Re: How does the Royal thing work?

freakiness — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 04:45:33 GMT

@diamond-halo wrote:
If George had have been a Georgina, being the first born, would she have gotten to be Queen one day, even if she got a younger brother, or would the female be bypassed in favour of the male?

In short, Yes she would have been in line to be queen one day.

The rules were changed in 2013. The only hold up is Australia which has not yet legislated for the change, however the UK can effect the change for them if they don't get it sorted in time (or something to that effect).

The changes affect only descendents of Charles, born after 2011.

Re: How does the Royal thing work?

2106greencat — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 04:52:59 GMT

@ambercat16 wrote:
@2106greencat wrote:
NO - William is next in line after the old fart Charles (who one seriously hopes will never take the throne - JMO)

Let's say Charles is the monarch for the sake of the OP.

If William and Kate had a girl, and William died, the succession would go to Harry as next in line to the throne, so long as the reigining monarch (Charlie) was on the throne.

The only reason the Queen became the Queen was she had no siblings other than a younger sister at the time of her fathers (reigning monarchs) death.

If William was made King prior to his death, then the sons or daughters from he and Kate would take succession, male first.

In this situation the only way a Queen can be the monarch is as the spouse of the reigning king.

I think
Wasn't the right of succession changed before William and Kate married so that the gender of their firstborn would not matter? So, if George was Georgiana, yes she would be next in line after William even if she subsequently had a brother.

But, you are correct in that if William dies before becoming king, Harry would be king after Charles and the line would then continue with Harry's children (if any).

Forgot that little titbit - as to the Queen thing, a King can make a Queen through marriage - ie: King George (Liz's dad) made Liz's mum a Queen, but a Queen (Liz) marrying does not make a King (Duke of Edinborough - Prince Phillip) all very confusing.

All I know is I will ever be Queen, my son will never be King, and I am soooo good with that!

Sorry chuk - will stop thinking now (got a right 'royal' headache as it happens LOL)

Re: How does the Royal thing work?

the_great_she_elephant — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 04:51:51 GMT

But, you are correct in that if William dies before becoming king, Harry would be king after Charles and the line would then continue with Harry's children (if any).

I'm pretty sure that succesion is always lineal and the only way Harry could inherit is if William died childless (regardlesss of whether or not he was king at the time.)

Re: How does the Royal thing work?

ambercat16 — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 04:52:50 GMT

@2106greencat wrote:
God in Heaven, I just had a thought

What if Will and Harry pop off, and Charlie and Camilla have a boy ?

*shudders*

Actually, IF Charles and Camilla had a child, wouldn't that child be after William and Harry in the succession - but before Andrew and Edward?

Mind you, at 66 it's just a tad unlikely she'll pop out another child!!

Re: How does the Royal thing work?

icyfroth — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 04:53:29 GMT

@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
But, you are correct in that if William dies before becoming king, Harry would be king after Charles and the line would then continue with Harry's children (if any).

I'm pretty sure that succesion is always lineal and the only way Harry could inherit is if William died childless (regardlesss of whether or not he was king at the time.)

that's right, she-el

Re: How does the Royal thing work?

ambercat16 — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 04:53:55 GMT

@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
But, you are correct in that if William dies before becoming king, Harry would be king after Charles and the line would then continue with Harry's children (if any).

I'm pretty sure that succesion is always lineal and the only way Harry could inherit is if William died childless (regardlesss of whether or not he was king at the time.)

You might be right about that - I'm not sure

Re: How does the Royal thing work?

2106greencat — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 04:56:18 GMT

@ambercat16 wrote:
@2106greencat wrote:
God in Heaven, I just had a thought

What if Will and Harry pop off, and Charlie and Camilla have a boy ?

*shudders*
Actually, IF Charles and Camilla had a child, wouldn't that child be after William and Harry in the succession - but before Andrew and Edward?
Mind you, at 66 it's just a tad unlikely she'll pop out another child!!

Yup - but if they had popped off - as in - you know - died.

And very true - 66 years old, not to mention one thing for certain, Charles will never be King.

Re: How does the Royal thing work?

lurker17260 — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 04:59:08 GMT

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_succession_to_the_British_throne

Re: How does the Royal thing work?

*crikey*mate* — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 05:06:06 GMT

OK, so

Queen Elizabeth abdicates/retires/dies or whatever it is that Queens do when they stop being Queens

Prince Phillip (her Husband) if still alive, does not get to be King, right?

Instead, it will probably be Prince Charles

so lets run with that.

Once King Charles is done,

Prince William gets the crown, right?

Now, if Prince Williasm dies before he gets to be king, does one of his offspring get a shot, or is it Prince Harry that gets a look in?

So Prince Harry would have had a shot if Prince William died without kids, right?

But since Prince William now does have a child

If she is the only child, he will become King, right?

Harry missed the boat, didn't he?

But if George was a girl, would this child still get to be Queen, even if she had a younger brother?

Crikey!

Re: How does the Royal thing work?

*crikey*mate* — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 05:07:57 GMT

@lurker17260 wrote:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_succession_to_the_British_throne

Cool, thanks Lurker, BUT

would this line be the same IF George was a Georgina?

Charles, Prince of Wales (b. 1948), eldest son of Queen Elizabeth II
Prince William, Duke of Cambridge (b. 1982), elder son of Charles, Prince of Wales
Prince George of Cambridge (b. 2013), son of Prince William, Duke of Cambridge
Prince Harry (b 1984), younger son of Charles, Prince of Wales
Prince Andrew, Duke of York (b. 1960), second son of Queen Elizabeth II
Princess Beatrice of York (b. 1988), elder daughter of Prince Andrew, Duke of York
Princess Eugenie of York (b. 1990), younger daughter of Prince Andrew, Duke of York
Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex (b. 1964), youngest son of Queen Elizabeth II
James, Viscount Severn (b. 2007), son of Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex
Lady Louise Windsor (b. 2003), daughter of Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex
Anne, Princess Royal (b. 1950), daughter of Queen Elizabeth II
Peter Phillips (b. 1977), son of Anne, Princess Royal
Savannah Phillips (b. 2010), daughter of Peter Phillips
Isla Phillips (b. 2012), daughter of Peter Phillips
Zara Phillips (b. 1981), daughter of Anne, Princess Royal
Mia Tindall (b. 2014), daughter of Zara Phillips

Re: How does the Royal thing work?

freakiness — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 05:08:33 GMT

Prince William's children would take the throne over Prince Harry.

Re: How does the Royal thing work?

freakiness — Fri, 18 Apr 2014 05:09:53 GMT

Yes, a girl would still be first in line over her younger brothers and Prince Harry.