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Student Protesters Are Revolting

icyfroth — Sun, 18 May 2014 01:27:42 GMT

PRIME Minister Tony Abbott has branded the students at his former university “revolting”.

Speaking at a Liberal Party fundraiser in Melbourne on Friday night, a tongue-in-cheek Mr Abbott said: “I always thought the students were revolting at my old university.”

His quip comes after Foreign Affairs Minister Julie Bishop was mobbed at the University of Sydney before she announced an extra 1000 placements for overseas study trips under new government funding.

Mr Abbott, joined by Environment Minister Greg Hunt and Small Business Minister Bruce Billson, told the audience at Mornington Race Club that there would be more protests.

“This is but a foretaste of what is to come,” he said.

“But we must stay the course because if we are deterred, the future of our country is grim.”

Mr Abbott defended his pre-election promises saying he was determined to make hard calls.

“I don’t know if this government is going to be popular, but by God it’s going to be respected,” he said.

University of Sydney Vice-Chancellor Dr Michael Spence said the comment was made in jest.

“We believe that the Prime Minister was making a joke and appreciate that he is demonstrating the same good humour that the Foreign Minister showed on Friday,” he said.

He said students had a right to protest but not to use violence.

Yesterday Education Minister Christopher Pyne called for the students to be charged with assault.

He also called on Opposition Leader Bill Shorten to join the Government in condemning the “incomprehensible” behaviour of the students, who were protesting proposed cuts to higher education funding.

“Everyone is entitled to have a view — whether they like the Government, whether they don’t like the Government; whether they like or dislike particular policies,” Mr Pyne said.

“But the behaviour of the students yesterday at Sydney University was assault.”

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“Everyone is entitled to have a view — whether they like the Government, whether they don’t like the Government; whether they like or dislike particular policies,” Mr Pyne said.

“But the behaviour of the students yesterday at Sydney University was assault.”

totally agree with these comments by Mr Pyne. I'm certainly not happy that my taxes foster this sort of behaviour by certain groups of students.

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bluecat*dancing — Sun, 18 May 2014 01:30:54 GMT

Mr Abbott defended his pre-election promises saying he was determined to make hard calls.

“I don’t know if this government is going to be popular, but by God it’s going to be respected,” he said.

Good luck with that, Mt Abbott.

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boris1gary — Sun, 18 May 2014 01:32:30 GMT

yes they are "revolting", revolting against......

More than a million university students and former students would face extra charges, some in the tens of thousands of dollars, according to a Fairfax Media analysis of the planned move to impose higher interest on their fees.

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boris1gary — Sun, 18 May 2014 01:33:39 GMT

University degrees will cost up to three times as much under a deregulated fee system, leaving graduates with $120,000-plus debts, according to the architect of the HECS student loan scheme.

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freakiness — Sun, 18 May 2014 01:39:11 GMT

@bluecat*dancing wrote:
Mr Abbott defended his pre-election promises saying he was determined to make hard calls.
“I don’t know if this government is going to be popular, but by God it’s going to be respected,” he said.

Good luck with that, Mt Abbott.

Yet another strange statement by the master of weird.

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fourandsixpants — Sun, 18 May 2014 01:45:08 GMT

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izabsmiling — Sun, 18 May 2014 01:47:48 GMT

1 July 2002

Speaking at Workforce's enterprise bargaining conference in Sydney, Abbott wound up his comments by telling the audience while he knew there were 'plenty of bad bosses out there' that:

'If we're honest, most of us would accept that a bad boss is a little bit like a bad father or a bad husband - notwithstanding his faults, you find that he tends to do more good than harm. He may be a bad boss but at least he's employing someone.'

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izabsmiling — Sun, 18 May 2014 01:49:55 GMT

Freaki, It is creepy.He is going to make it so bad for us that he thinks we will bow down to him ?

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fourandsixpants — Sun, 18 May 2014 01:51:51 GMT

“Everyone is entitled to have a view — whether they like the Government, whether they don’t like the Government; whether they like or dislike particular policies,” Mr Pyne said.

“But the behaviour of the students yesterday at Sydney University was assault.”

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it's hard to get good help these days.....having someone at your beck and call carrying all the necessary condiments is priceless-

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boris1gary — Sun, 18 May 2014 02:01:43 GMT

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izabsmiling — Sun, 18 May 2014 02:02:48 GMT

Some really are revolting

Hard right Liberal club meeting disbanded following security concerns

February 13th, 2014 in Frontpage / News

An attempt to create a Conservative Club on February 7 was marred when the Inaugural General Meeting (IGM) was dissolved by UNSW security following occupational health and safety concerns, with members of both the “soft” right and “hard” right-aligned factions of the Liberal Party levelling accusations of club stacking against each other.

These events bear resemblance to the controversial failed UNSW Liberal Club Annual General Meetings (AGMs) of 2012, which led to the club being refused re-affiliation by the Arc Student Development Committee (SDC) at the time.

The Conservative Club was established in part by hard right Liberal and candidate for Vice-President of the club, Anneliese Oldcastle, and its IGM scheduled for 7 pm on the Friday night in early February. The meeting was chaired by far right Young Liberals faction organiser Chris Rath, a University of Sydney student and former political staffer for hard right NSW MLC, Scot MacDonald.

The “hard” or religious right, colloquially known within the Liberal Party as the “Taliban”, is aligned to NSW MLC, David Clarke, and has in recent years declined in prominence within the NSW Young Liberal and senior Liberal Party state executives. At a Federal level, members of the far right include Senator Cory Bernardi and Senator Concetta Fierravanti-Wells. The “soft” right faction of the NSW Liberals is controlled by the federal MP for Mitchell, Alex Hawke.

Oldcastle told Tharunka the Conservative Club exists to promote discussion on conservative issues and “is not aligned to any political party”.

However, attendees at the IGM noted that a motion to affiliate with the Australian Council of Conservative Students (ACCS), an organisation understood to be formed in 2013 by the hard right Young Liberal faction, was accepted by the Conservative Club members.

Among the far right clubs in NSW affiliated with the ACCS is the Sydney University Conservative Club, which was implicated in a controversial attempt to take over the soft right-aligned Sydney University Liberal Club in 2011 by encouraging 60 international students to become financial members of the Liberal Club, with the intention of stacking the club’s 2011 AGM.

In reference to the activities of the similarly-named Sydney University Conservative Club, Oldcastle said, “as a UNSW student, I have little knowledge of Sydney University clubs and their aims.”

Tharunka understands the Conservative Club meeting was initially attended by seven UNSW students who had already obtained club membership and voting rights; among them Grace Connley and known hard right Liberals Anneliese Oldcastle, Elliott Donazzan, and Sun-Yong Kim. The group was joined by over 20 soft right and moderate Liberals from UNSW and the University of Sydney, in a law library room with an approximate maximum capacity of 11 people.

Also in attendance was Christian Ellis, a staffer of the hard right Liberal MP for Castle Hill, Dominic Perrottet. Ellis is currently serving a ten year expulsion from the Liberal Party after running as a Family First candidate against incumbent Berowra MP, Phillip Ruddock, in the 2010 Federal election.

“The formation meeting of this apolitical club was stacked out by loud, aggressive Sydney University Liberals, led by Alex Dore and Dean Shachar. They were not eligible club members, and thus the meeting proceeded despite their raucous behaviour. Conspiring with Dore and Shachar was Taylor Gramoski, a staffer to Minister Pru Goward and president of the [soft right-aligned] UNSW Freedom Club,” one attendee said.

Dismissing this claim as “baseless conjecture”, Gramoski stated that “the only conspiring in regard to the meeting was done by the organisers – to hold an IGM in the dead of night on a Friday in February, and to fly under the radar of UNSW students, as well as democratic process”.

Oldcastle rejected the notion that the IGM was held at an inaccessible time as summer semester is a busy time of year at UNSW, adding that all club members were entitled to vote at the meeting.

“The period of notice for membership applications, the date and time of the IGM, and nomination period for the club executive were all within Arc [Clubs and Societies] Handbook guidelines,” Oldcastle said.

Under Arc guidelines, notification of an IGM must be sent to Student Development and club members at least seven days prior to the meeting. This notice must include details of elections and nomination procedure, as per the club Constitution.

It is claimed that at the Conservative Club IGM, membership rights were denied to UNSW students in attendance who were not among the initial seven members of the club, and further alleged that access to the attendance list was restricted by the organisers of the meeting. The Chair, Chris Rath, informed attendees that membership was closed, shortly prior to the meeting being dissolved by security due to Occupational Health and Safety (OH&S) regulations prohibiting the number of attendees being in excess of the maximum occupancy of the law library room.

According to a soft right-aligned, senior Young Liberal attendee, the intervention of security and library staff in asking Rath to close the meeting sparked a farcical series of events in which Rath sought to pass the Constitution and election of the executive without due process by yelling out the remaining agenda items. Rath was then escorted out of the building by security. The

Young Liberal source asked not to be identified because they are not authorised to discuss the matter publicly.

Vice-President of the UNSW Freedom Club, Natarsha Terreiro, said the hard right Young Liberals “have a history of disregard for democracy, failure to adhere to Arc and SDC rules, and wreaking havoc on the University”, adding that multiple individuals heard Oldcastle exclaim “who cares about OH&S?” during the meeting, in an act Terreiro described as “showing contempt for standard University OH&S processes”.

Oldcastle told Tharunka she “categorically denies making such a statement, or anything of a similar nature”.

According to a number of attendees, the controversial end to the Conservative Club IGM bears similarity to the dissolution of the UNSW Liberal Club in 2012, wherein the AGM was stacked out by moderate and soft right Liberals in an election process controlled by the predominantly hard right-aligned club executive. Oldcastle acted as the “whip”, or factional organiser, for the hard right during this period.

The resulting anti-stacking measure restricted voting rights to Liberal Club members who had attended three meetings in the calendar year, allowing only ten eligible voting members in the 2012 AGM, a fact instrumental in the SDC’s decision to decline Arc re-affiliation to the club.

It is understood that earlier in 2012, the hard right Liberal faction had purchased a second stall for the ‘NSW Young Liberal Party’ at UNSW O-Week, with the intention of recruiting specifically for the far right faction in an attempt to regain majority control of the UNSW Liberal Club membership base.

University Liberal clubs serve as a key recruiting ground for the NSW Young Liberals, of which the Young Liberal president takes a spot on the NSW Liberal Party state executive. As a result, stacking in Liberal branches is a tactic often employed by factions to have a greater influence on internal party elections.

Expressing concern with the potential for the Conservative Club to act as a duplication of the Freedom Club, Gramoski told Tharunka he believes “the entire purpose of the club is political by nature”, adding that “there are multiple avenues for political discussion on campus amongst Liberal students, namely the Freedom Club”.

Oldcastle directed these concerns to the appropriate authority in Arc. “If Taylor Gramoski and the Freedom Club have concerns in relation to club duplication, they should address these to Arc,” she said.

Convenor of UNSW Labor Left Students, Billy Bruffey, told Tharunka that internal opposition to the Conservative Club’s formation by rival Liberal factions is inherently hypocritical. “When Freedom Club Liberals violate others’ rights to freedom of assembly, I rejoice the pitiful future of conservatism,” he said.

It is uncertain whether the Conservative Club’s application to affiliate with Arc will be approved by the Student Development Committee, given its IGM is believed to have been disbanded before the club Constitution could be approved or its executive elected.

SDC Convenor, Andrew Shim, had not responded to a request for comment at the time of publishing.

Correction: The original version of this article included a quote referring to Taylor Gramoski as a current Pru Goward staffer. Tharunka acknowledges that Gramoski is a former junior staffer to Minister Goward, and current staffer for Liberal MP in the seat of Robertson, Lucy Wicks.

UPDATE: Tharunka has published a follow-up article containing further details of the failed attempt at stacking out this IGM by Freedom Club and Sydney University Liberal Club members. The article also contains updated information identifying Taylor Gramoski as a current employee of Minister Pru Goward.

Ammy Singh
http://tharunka.arc.unsw.edu.au/hard-right-liberal-club-meeting-disbanded/

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silverfaun — Sun, 18 May 2014 02:05:58 GMT

Its been reported that these few are the same one's who disrupted Q & A, the same rent a crowd the left are so fond of using. Like the lot who caused the Australian day riots, Gillards staffer rang them and they whipped up the Aboriginal people to rampage.

It's a sickening pastime but labor revel in it.

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freddie*rooster — Sun, 18 May 2014 02:09:07 GMT

"No-one, however smart, however well-educated, however experienced, is the suppository of all wisdom, and I believe that we will be a much better government because we have a very strong team."

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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donnashuggy — Sun, 18 May 2014 02:15:00 GMT

Tony Abbott was a thug at university, who is he to talk?

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silverfaun — Sun, 18 May 2014 02:21:37 GMT

We are subjected to this type of behaviour every day in the media. Hate and bile from Labor and their adherents and it infects everything, spills out all over and they love it, Shorten doing what he does best whipping up hate, whipping up the old class and gender wars Gillard was so fond of.

I wonder how they can function having this type of mindset and groupthink. We see it on here as well, the same old posters who have nothing constructive to add to any debate just howls of anguish that their cushy entitlements may disappear, screams of disappointment that all the empty promises Gillard made have no money to back them up so they cry and rant and blame shift.

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fourandsixpants — Sun, 18 May 2014 02:26:51 GMT

Phony TA

http://www.phonytonyabbott.com/facts/behaviour

Behaviour

During his time in the Howard Government, Tony Abbott was once thrown out of Parliament because he moved in a threatening manner towards the Opposition benches just after Labor's Graham Edwards, a Vietnam Veteran who had lost both his legs during the Vietnam War, had interjected: "You're a disgrace".
Source: The Australian - May 2012

In 1976, while at University, Tony Abbott kicked in a glass panel door after a narrow defeat in the University Senate elections in 1976.
Source: Sydney Morning Herald - July, 2004

While at University, Tony Abbott was charged with indecent assault for allegedly touching a female student teacher between her legs on the lower buttock.
In an interview with the Sydney Morning Herald in 2004, Tony Abbott claimed it was a "completely fictional incident" but later claims to have only touched her on the back to get her attention.
When Tony Abbott turned up to court, he had the assistance of a legal team (including a QC) as well as several witnesses.
The case was dismissed.
Source: Sydney Morning Herald - July, 2004

After losing an SRC election, Tony Abbott is alleged to have approached the person who defeated him, Barbara Ramjan, come as close to an inch from her nose and then punched the wall on either side of her head.
Tony Abbott claims to have no recollection of the incident.
Source: News.com.au - September 8, 2012

Lindsay Foyle, a former deputy editor of The Bulletin and a past president of the Australian Cartoonists’ Association, has revealed that Tony Abbott once threatened to punch him because of a disagreement over abortion (Lindsay took a pro-choice stance, Tony Abbott reportedly didn't like that stance).
Lindsay is on record as saying that a number of journalists witnessed this, including Greg Sheridan, a friend of Tony Abbott's who is also the Foreign Affairs editor for the Australian.
Source: New Matilda - September 2012

Tony Abbott has admitted to punching Joe Hockey out cold sometime during the late 80's. At the time, Tony Abbott was "kind of a semi-player coach" for a rugby union team.
Source: Tony Abbott Interview - December 9, 2009

Tony Abbott was once caught by police bending a street sign after passing his economics examination.
Once again, Tony Abbott had to go to court, however while the offence was proven, no conviction was recorded.
Source: Sydney Morning Herald - July, 2004

During the 2007 Federal Election, the then Federal Health Minister, Tony Abbott, criticised a terminally ill man, Bernie Banton, accusing Bernie Banton of not being "pure of heart".
Source: The Age - October 31, 2007
You can also view video of the incident through YouTube.
Thanks to DuggoStyleCafe for making the video available.

Tony Abbott once missed five key votes in Parliament - including the vote on the $42 billion stimulus package - because he was asleep in his office after having consumed too much alcohol.
Tony Abbott obviously denies this, and claimed that he was tired due to helping out "with bushfire recovery efforts on the Central Coast four nights earlier".
Source: Daily Telegraph - March, 2009

Tony Abbott once joked about the suicide attempt of John Brogden, who at the time had just resigned as the NSW Liberal Leader. While at a Liberal Party fundraising event, Tony Abbott said: "If we did that we would be as dead as the former Liberal leader's political prospects."
When asked whether he should apologise for his comment on the ABC's Insiders, Tony Abbott stated: "Barrie, if it would make people feel better if I apologised, I'm always happy to apologise. I don't believe in standing on my dignity."
When asked whether his comment was appropriate, Tony Abbott stated: "Barrie, lots of people say lots of things."
Source: ABC's Insiders - September, 2005

Tony Abbott joked about the Costa Concordia, a cruise ship that sunk claiming 11 lives.
Tony Abbott joked "that was one boat that did get stopped, wasn’t it?"
When Tony Abbott was advised that she should apologise, Tony Abbott felt that he didn't need to apologise as it was just "banter".
Source: Herald Sun - January 19, 2012

For TA 'Lies and Deceptions' refer : http://www.phonytonyabbott.com/lies-and-deceptions/lies-deceptions

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para-sights — Sun, 18 May 2014 02:32:00 GMT

screams of disappointment that all the empty promises made(yet) have no money to back them up .... certainly sounds more like the pre election Liberals and the reaso why so much "hostility" is now vented towards them.

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para-sights — Sun, 18 May 2014 02:37:55 GMT

Mr. Abbott must surely know that he is losing, almost hemorrhaging, both popularity AND respect in equal measures. Give him credit though for doing this budget early but his naivete is that he thinks we will forget and forgo any ill feeling by next election. I doubt it very much - he has cut deep wounds across such a broad sector of the Australian society \

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freddie*rooster — Sun, 18 May 2014 02:46:49 GMT

@silverfaun wrote:
We are subjected to this type of behaviour every day in the media. Hate and bile from Labor and their adherents and it infects everything, spills out all over and they love it, Shorten doing what he does best whipping up hate, whipping up the old class and gender wars Gillard was so fond of.

I wonder how they can function having this type of mindset and groupthink. We see it on here as well, the same old posters who have nothing constructive to add to any debate just howls of anguish that their cushy entitlements may disappear, screams of disappointment that all the empty promises Gillard made have no money to back them up so they cry and rant and blame shift.

Your forgot Chrissy Pyne calling Tony Burke a ****BLEEP****

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cherry*135 — Sun, 18 May 2014 02:47:36 GMT

"His quip comes after Foreign Affairs Minister Julie Bishop was mobbed at the University of Sydney before she announced an extra 1000 placements for overseas study trips under new government funding."

Is that 1000 placements Australia wide? If so, that is nothing to get excited about. Only students whose parents can bankroll them will probably take up that option now anyway.

At present a student can get $5500 up front, added onto their HELP loan if they go on international Uni exchange (one semester rate).
They may no longer want to add an amount like that onto a hugely increased student loan debt due to the new increased fees.