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An Own Goal, But They Can Recover

icyfroth — Mon, 19 May 2014 00:21:46 GMT

The poll shows that the budget was a landmark moment in political unpopularity.

''There have only been less popular prime ministers on a handful of occasions'' in the 40-year history of the survey, pollster John Stirton said. Those include when the Whitlam government was embroiled in the notorious Khemlani loans affair, when Paul Keating broke his ''L-A-W'' promise to deliver tax cuts, and when Julia Gillard announced the carbon tax"

''The politics of the Australian budget,'' Mills says, ''seem so bad that you can only conclude that Abbott and Hockey must genuinely believe they are doing the right thing and will receive the electoral rewards of a booming economy in 2016.''

And it is that timing which explains why Abbott and Hockey are not panicking. Governments have hit these lows before and recovered to be re-elected. This poll puts the government behind by 56 per cent to 44 on the election- deciding measure, the two-party preferred vote.

The Howard government hit this low point in 1998, 2001 and 2004 yet recovered to win. As Stirton remarks: ''Recovery is always an option, especially when it's this early in the term.''

This is Abbott's and Hockey's first budget, not their third.

So don't count your chickens before they hatch, ppl.

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azureline** — Mon, 19 May 2014 00:25:50 GMT

It isn't the chickens that are a concern.

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lakeland27 — Mon, 19 May 2014 00:43:11 GMT

i like these light-hearted joke threads .

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spotweldersfriend — Mon, 19 May 2014 00:57:53 GMT

Lets see.Unemployed young people won't vote for them.Those parents of unemployed young people who have to give financial assistance won't either.Pensioners won't vote for them.The sons and daughters of those pensioners won't vote for them.Uni students won't vote for them.Who else? The low income workers who lost their $500 govt. super contributions.The car industry workers and their families.Of course we have a couple of state elections coming up before the federal one so I'm expecting Labor to form government in at least one.Then there's those who'll abandon the Libs and vote for PUP.Tony's got some ground to make up.This by the way is not the kind of budget that people are going to forget in a hurry.
For the sake of Australia Tony,call an election now:)

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izabsmiling — Mon, 19 May 2014 01:00:52 GMT

Hopefully Australians will fight the good fight ..to help rather than harm other Australians

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tall_bearded — Mon, 19 May 2014 01:13:34 GMT

The man simply has no moral compass and that will be his downfall.

I can recall that, whilst he was the then Minister for Health, he attended a public forum to justify the Government’s position on euthanasia, which was at the time inconsistent with the wishes of the majority of the pollution; and still is. Now can’t recall his exact response, but I can most certainly recall its substance and context.

What we (the plebs) want is only relevant for the purposes of formulating policy for an election, and once an election has been concluded, it falls to those elected, irrespective of the promises made or the expectations created, to govern in the manner that they (the politicians) believe to be in the national interest. That is, promises mean nothing and mandates are irrelevant and this was argument also used to justify our involvement in Iraq and the introduction of such memorable legislation as Work Choices.

But when the Libs lost government, he had a complete change of heart. Now a promise were sacrosanct, and mandates mandatory. For instance I can still recall the reasons given for his refusal to allow a conscience vote on amendments to the Marriage Act – ‘It has never been put to the people at an election, there is therefore no mandate, and therefore I can’t allow my party to vote to change it’. In fact, during that period he went so far as say ‘that a Government which breaks their promises, or acts in the absence of a mandate is politically corrupt and has lost the moral right to govern’.

So now, that we are back in Government, we feel safe to return to the way things were when we were last in Government, in the hope that what happened in the first year will be all forgotten by the fourth. Think again. Keating never recovered from his ‘these tax cuts are law' promise. Nor will this lot.

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boris1gary — Mon, 19 May 2014 01:35:32 GMT

they won't be recovering any time soon if abbott doesn't keep his mouth shut....

Prime Minister Tony Abbott insists he will not be deterred by disastrous polling results following his government's first budget, saying the public had been ''on notice'' that the Coalition would have to make tough decisions.

Mr Abbott also said his government had not broken a pre-election promise not to make any cuts

to health or education.

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fourandsixpants — Mon, 19 May 2014 01:42:48 GMT

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fourandsixpants — Mon, 19 May 2014 01:44:27 GMT

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para-sights — Mon, 19 May 2014 01:45:39 GMT

Whats going to be bad for the Liberals and Abbott in the next lection campaign is people will remember the great divide between what we were promised and what we actually got and there will be others to remind those who forget. a tough sell for any party.

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fourandsixpants — Mon, 19 May 2014 01:49:35 GMT

yes and politics aside (*PPPfffft!) I find it really hard to digest any of these mans' lies when he professes to be a devout follower of a faith that condemns lying.

How can you believe, respect and hold high someone who is a hypocrite.

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cherry*135 — Mon, 19 May 2014 01:56:16 GMT

The opening post only shows a few paragraphs of that article. It needs to be read in its entirety.

AN OWN GOAL BUT THE GAME IS FAR FROM OVER (actual title)

Tony Abbott has accomplished something that Bill Shorten could not. He has made Shorten Australia's preferred prime minister.

The Liberals have vacated the field.

Today's Fairfax-Nielsen poll shows that 51 per cent of voters would prefer the Labor leader to be prime minister, over 40 per cent who favour Abbott.

PM Tony Abbott: The budget proved to be a landmark moment in political unpopularity.
And the Opposition Leader has pulled ahead earlier than in any prime minister's term in 40 years.

The poll shows that the budget was a landmark moment in political unpopularity.
''There have only been less popular prime ministers on a handful of occasions'' in the 40-year history of the survey, pollster John Stirton said.

Those include when the Whitlam government was embroiled in the notorious Khemlani loans affair, when Paul Keating broke his ''L-A-W'' promise to deliver tax cuts, and when Julia Gillard announced the carbon tax.
Abbott was already a uniquely unpopular new prime minister in the early months of his term. But that was based largely on voters' fears and suspicions.

His first budget has confirmed the fears and validated the suspicions. The poll shows that the strongest objections to the budget are twofold: that people expect it will make them worse off personally, and that it is unfair.
Abbott and his Treasurer, Joe Hockey, could have worn the first as a badge of pride. They had promised a tough budget to fix the nation's deficit.
But unfair? That was never an Abbott promise. Or, as Stirton puts it: ''The election was Abbott's mandate to fix the budget. It was not a mandate to fix it unfairly.''
The hostile reaction to the budget has done Labor's work for it. Labor is suddenly ahead on primary votes for the first time in four years.

As UMR Research pollster Stephen Mills observes: ''Labor, at one stroke, has had its traditional positioning of representing the interests of the low- and middle-income families, looking after pensioners, defending Medicare, caring more about education and jobs and looking after the vulnerable spectacularly reinforced. The Liberals have vacated the field.'' However, the electorate is readier to acknowledge that the budget does move Australia towards a balanced budget. Asked whether the budget was economically responsible, respondents were closely divided, with 49 per cent answering yes and 48 no.

But the sharp overall movement against the Coalition was decisive and well beyond the poll's 2.6 per cent margin of error.
''The politics of the Australian budget,'' Mills says, ''seem so bad that you can only conclude that Abbott and Hockey must genuinely believe they are doing the right thing and will receive the electoral rewards of a booming economy in 2016.'' And it is that timing which explains why Abbott and Hockey are not panicking. Governments have hit these lows before and recovered to be re-elected. This poll puts the government behind by 56 per cent to 44 on the election- deciding measure, the two-party preferred vote.

The Howard government hit this low point in 1998, 2001 and 2004 yet recovered to win. As Stirton remarks: ''Recovery is always an option, especially when it's this early in the term.''

This is Abbott's and Hockey's first budget, not their third.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/an-own-goal-but-the-game-is-far-from-over-20140518-38hzy.html#ixzz327cgaf9W

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silverfaun — Mon, 19 May 2014 01:54:56 GMT

Rubbish, all the left on here, 12 or so, do not represent anything let alone sensible debate.

This is a full frontal attack on Liberals with total lies and kept alive on here by the left.
Most sensible people understand the budget, understand the problem and understand that this is not Sweden or Denmark socialist welfare countries.

This must be titillating for the left after all they suffered the death of a thousand cuts every day with Rudd and Gillard so they are jumping up and down with glee and spreading the lies.

Time to move on and support poor old Bill, he's just been rolled by the union thugs....AGAIN, now that's scary and something all Australians should be worried about if Labor ever get in again, it will be more of the same ineptitude, lies and incompetence and nobody wants that.

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cherry*135 — Mon, 19 May 2014 02:03:29 GMT

This country deserves a better PM than the current one. One that behaved like a school kid sitting behind (clearly visible to all TV viewers) Hockey when he read the Budget.

"How you responded to last Tuesday night’s budget speech would depend on your point of view, your preoccupations and your prejudices – political and otherwise.

If you were a clinical psychologist, you might have been disturbed by signs of the Prime Minister’s short attention span. Chatting to his colleagues, giggling, looking distractedly about, he seemed unable to concentrate even for 30 minutes while his Treasurer made the speech of his life."

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/budget-2014-is-this-the-australia-we-really-want-to-be-20140516-zre...

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para-sights — Mon, 19 May 2014 02:01:53 GMT

If every budget cut gets passed it's only going to invoke more backlash when they all start to come into effect

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fourandsixpants — Mon, 19 May 2014 02:01:56 GMT

UPDATE : Labor leader Bill Shorten has taken a 10-point lead over Tony Abbott

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cherry*135 — Mon, 19 May 2014 02:05:59 GMT

Worst budget ever. These views are not held, by only 12 people Australia wide.

"The Prime Minister has compared this budget with the first of John Howard and Peter Costello in 1996, a piece of work that also broke promises to repair the budget and set the Coalition up for more than a decade in power.
But that budget rates as one of the best received in the history of polling. This one is unlikely to be beaten as the worst received - ever."

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/painsharing-promise-to-haunt-pm-20140518-38i2x.html#ixzz327h1eLHw

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fourandsixpants — Mon, 19 May 2014 02:07:56 GMT

MMmmn. Let's see them 'recover' from this lil' upset ....LOL!! you get what you get

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izabsmiling — Mon, 19 May 2014 02:10:39 GMT

@paintsew007 wrote:

not even those carefully prepared scripted remarks Tony Abbott makes can be taken as The Gospel Truth .

Unless Tony Abbott's personal definition of 'Gospel Truth' is in absolute Opposition to the commonly accepted and respected definition ?

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spotweldersfriend — Mon, 19 May 2014 02:11:02 GMT

"An own goal,but they can recover"
....except the Labor Party's looking like Barcelona FC right now,not Scunthorpe United.