topic Re: Should I Laugh or Cry ? in Community Spirit

Should I Laugh or Cry ?

grandmoon — Sun, 01 Jun 2014 23:46:38 GMT

This is the Young Liberals Vision for Canberra.

Private schools caning pupils, the abolition of ACT self-government, licenses for cyclists, a privatised ACTION bus network and minimum sentences for child sex offenders. Is this what life in Canberra would be like if the Young Liberals were in charge? A set of policy proposals to be considered by ACT party members suggests private schools "should be offered the option of disciplining students through corporal punishment, with the use of a cane". It calls for the ACT Government to be stripped of all legal authority until territory voters support a referendum proposal establishing self government.

Re: Should I Laugh or Cry ?

*crikey*mate* — Sun, 01 Jun 2014 23:59:02 GMT

Private schools can already (or should i say still) use the cane in Qld,

Legally, they can in public schools too, it is just that Education Queensland has a policy against it, so whilst a teacher may have his employment terminated for using a cane in a public school, "school master" is the actual term in the legislation, for breach of policy, he will not have criminal charges bought against him.

Re: Should I Laugh or Cry ?

icyfroth — Mon, 02 Jun 2014 00:03:45 GMT

Could be worse:

Northern Territory teachers say the Education Department is failing to punish violent students in the wake of a new reporting method showing assaults by students at much higher rates than previously recorded.

Recorded physical assaults by students against staff increased from 37 last year to 253 so far this year.

Student on student violence rocketed from just 10 reported incidents last year to almost 3,000 so far this year.

Entire Article Here

Re: Should I Laugh or Cry ?

i-need-a-martini — Mon, 02 Jun 2014 00:12:06 GMT

@*crikey*mate* wrote:
Private schools can already (or should i say still) use the cane in Qld,

Legally, they can in public schools too, it is just that Education Queensland has a policy against it, so whilst a teacher may have his employment terminated for using a cane in a public school, "school master" is the actual term in the legislation, for breach of policy, he will not have criminal charges bought against him.

Corporal punishemnt is illegal in all government schools throughout Australia except NT.

NSW, ACT, Vic, Tas have blanket bans across ALL schools whether govt or private.

Qld, WA and SA are the only states that still allow it in private schools.

Re: Should I Laugh or Cry ?

grandmoon — Mon, 02 Jun 2014 00:21:18 GMT

I am more concerned with their wish to "minimum sentences for child sex offenders."

Re: Should I Laugh or Cry ?

icyfroth — Mon, 02 Jun 2014 00:27:45 GMT

what do they want to minimum to be?

Re: Should I Laugh or Cry ?

grandmoon — Mon, 02 Jun 2014 00:29:06 GMT

They haven't said.

Re: Should I Laugh or Cry ?

icyfroth — Mon, 02 Jun 2014 00:47:08 GMT

what's the current minimum?

Re: Should I Laugh or Cry ?

debra9275 — Mon, 02 Jun 2014 01:00:09 GMT

Scary!

Re: Should I Laugh or Cry ?

grandmoon — Mon, 02 Jun 2014 01:08:06 GMT

@icyfroth wrote:
what's the current minimum?

I can't find anything on the minimum sentence

Re: Should I Laugh or Cry ?

icyfroth — Mon, 02 Jun 2014 01:34:24 GMT

maybe there is currently no minimum sentence and the YL's are lobbying for a minimum sentence?

Re: Should I Laugh or Cry ?

cherry*135 — Mon, 02 Jun 2014 02:29:23 GMT

A set of policy proposals to be considered by ACT party suggests...

..... and says a national sex offenders' register should be established with full public access.

Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/is-this-the-young-liberal-vision-for-canberra-20140601-zrsz9.html#ixzz33RaQJRtG

I think icy is correct. There is no mandatory minimum sentence for child sex offenders in the ACT.

April 2014

A child protection group has urged the ACT to introduce severe measures cracking down on convicted paedophiles, calling for indefinite detention, public access to images of nearby sex offenders, and mandatory minimum sentencing.

Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/bravehearts-wants-indefinite-detention-for-serious-child-sex-offenders-20140422-372i4.html#ixzz33ReE2RDe

Re: Should I Laugh or Cry ?

the_great_she_elephant — Mon, 02 Jun 2014 02:35:01 GMT

@grandmoon wrote:
I am more concerned with their wish to "minimum sentences for child sex offenders."

I think in this instance you are confusing 'minimum' with 'minimal' I agree it is probably a move to set amandatory minimum sentence which does not currently exist.

Re: Should I Laugh or Cry ?

*crikey*mate* — Mon, 02 Jun 2014 03:49:15 GMT

@i-need-a-martini wrote:
@*crikey*mate* wrote:
Private schools can already (or should i say still) use the cane in Qld,

Legally, they can in public schools too, it is just that Education Queensland has a policy against it, so whilst a teacher may have his employment terminated for using a cane in a public school, "school master" is the actual term in the legislation, for breach of policy, he will not have criminal charges bought against him.
Corporal punishemnt is illegal in all government schools throughout Australia except NT.

NSW, ACT, Vic, Tas have blanket bans across ALL schools whether govt or private.

Qld, WA and SA are the only states that still allow it in private schools.

1) No, it's not.

2) Yes, in both policy and law. (I believe that it is only driven by policy in Vic, not law)

3) Policy documents for public schools. It is not law.

4) As I was initially referring to only Qld, I will say again, Corporal Punishment is NOT illegal in Queensland, but Policy dictates that it is not to be used in State Schools.

If it were illegal, it would not be permissible in some schools and not others.