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Liberal-Labor Politics Is A Farce

icyfroth — Thu, 12 Jun 2014 05:36:31 GMT

Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey’s greatest ally is Bill Shorten.

The budget pain that the Liberals are imposing on the sick, poor and elderly is more often than not also ALP policy.

The desperate victims hear Labor vow to fight for them, and want to believe it, but the truth is: Labor has also supported a Medicare co-payment; Labor first raised the pension age, to 67, but at the time Wayne Swan’s tongue slipped and he said 71; and Labor started the cruel cuts to welfare, such as the income support for single-parent families, with the excuse of achieving the holy grail of a budget surplus.

Thus, tainting the hope that they might be saved from the deadly cuts, is the nagging cynicism in the population that if the ALP were in government, the situation would be no better.

That cynicism is well-founded, because since Hawke and Keating in 1983, the once great AustralianLabor Party has been captive to the same banking interests that founded and control the Liberal Party.

In fact, as the Liberals underwent an internal revolution in the 1980s—when they were infiltrated and taken over by agents of the fascist Mont Pelerin Society who eliminated all traditional Liberal MPs who supported industry protection, and replaced them with hard-right zealots of free trade and deregulation, such as Peter Costello and the super-rich Julian Beale, Bill Shorten’s first father-in-law - it was the ALP who implemented the bankers’ demands.

John Howard admits in his memoirs Lazarus Rising that the Liberals made sure they supported every key Hawke-Keating reform that the bankers demanded—the 1983 float of the dollar, the 1984 deregulation of banking, and the 1986 and 1991 tariff cuts.

In 2011, Julia Gillard called this “the post-1983 consensus on economic reform”; put another way, the post-1983 political farce.

Today, the starkest proof that Liberal and Labor are serving the same banking interests, is their joint refusal to act against the gravest threat facing the Australian economy—the Too Big To Fail banks.

Instead of implementing the clearly sensible policy of a Glass-Steagall separation of their retail banking from their speculative investment banking, which would protect the Australian people from the inevitable meltdown of their speculative investments in the property bubble and derivatives, first Labor ran up a massive debt propping the banks up, and now the Liberals are slashing living standards to keep them propped up.

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cherry*135 — Thu, 12 Jun 2014 06:01:49 GMT

LOL that is the CEC's answer to everything.. control by the banks

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boris1gary — Thu, 12 Jun 2014 06:09:46 GMT

@am*3 wrote:
LOL that is the CEC's answer to everything.. control by the banks

below is the headline from the New Citizen Feb/March 2014... better start digging a nuclear shelter.

World Financial Collapse Looms, British Empire Prepares Nuclear War

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lloydslights — Thu, 12 Jun 2014 06:53:08 GMT

Icy, I've cleaned my glasses, twice.

That is the hardest bit of typing to read seen since my old manual typewriter days. The days when you have typed a mistaken 3 space word and tried to correct it with a 4 space word.

Is it an old piece "doctored" for the benefit of the current day.

This is not commentary on the actual wording of the document. My mind wandered too much. I couldn't concentrate.

DEB

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icyfroth — Thu, 12 Jun 2014 07:01:59 GMT

@lloydslights wrote:
Icy, I've cleaned my glasses, twice.

That is the hardest bit of typing to read seen since my old manual typewriter days. The days when you have typed a mistaken 3 space word and tried to correct it with a 4 space word.

Is it an old piece "doctored" for the benefit of the current day.

This is not commentary on the actual wording of the document. My mind wandered too much. I couldn't concentrate.

DEB

You could always click through and read the whole article, Deb. The print is bigger.

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lind9650 — Thu, 12 Jun 2014 07:03:34 GMT

I always said that they all are tarred with the same brush.

Erica 😞

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grumpy*cat*rocks — Thu, 12 Jun 2014 07:14:08 GMT

@lloydslights wrote:
Icy, I've cleaned my glasses, twice.

That is the hardest bit of typing to read seen since my old manual typewriter days. The days when you have typed a mistaken 3 space word and tried to correct it with a 4 space word.

Is it an old piece "doctored" for the benefit of the current day.

This is not commentary on the actual wording of the document. My mind wandered too much. I couldn't concentrate.

DEB

It's extremely difficult to read. Neo's posts are the same when he copies and pastes stuff.

Personally I would highlight the whole text and then select a font and font size and change it on here before posting. eg:

Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey’s greatest ally is Bill Shorten.

The budget pain that the Liberals are imposing on the sick, poor and elderly is more often than not also ALP policy.

Thus, tainting the hope that they might be saved from the deadly cuts, is the nagging cynicism in the population that if the ALP were in government, the situation would be no better.

That cynicism is well-founded, because since Hawke and Keating in 1983, the once great AustralianLabor Party has been captive to the same banking interests that founded and control the Liberal Party.

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grumpy*cat*rocks — Thu, 12 Jun 2014 07:14:37 GMT

Much, much easier to read and takes no time at all.

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carls*world — Thu, 12 Jun 2014 07:17:20 GMT

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cherry*135 — Thu, 12 Jun 2014 07:23:57 GMT

Our Prime Minister, in Canadia

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icyfroth — Thu, 12 Jun 2014 07:24:55 GMT

@lind9650 wrote:

I always said that they all are tarred with the same brush.

Erica 😞

I've always said the same, Erica. The Australian voters think they have a choice. They don't.

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boris1gary — Thu, 12 Jun 2014 07:28:40 GMT

Yes both the ALP and the LNP and the Greens are all parties that support capitalism but it is a little naive to still think that the ALP and the LNP/Libs are "the same" when it comes to policy. The recent budget proves that there is still a big difference between the two, the current govt wants a new "Australia", small government, low taxes (=less services) and everything and everyone is for sale, private profit first, second and third - people, last.

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cherry*135 — Thu, 12 Jun 2014 07:32:06 GMT

Labor maintains attack on ‘unfair’ Hockey budget

BILL Shorten has accused Joe Hockey of trying to “divide” the country, saying the Treasurer does not know what “fair” means.

The Opposition Leader called a speech by Mr Hockey defending the budget a “remarkable interjection” that showed the government was out of touch with the most vulnerable.

“The Abbott government is a small minority determined to divide Australia and Labor will not retreat,” Mr Shorten said at the Australian Council of Social Service conference in Brisbane, at which delegates also condemned the budget as “divisive and unfair”.

“Last night we saw the remarkable interjection by Treasurer Hockey.

“He is complaining that people are calling his budget unfair. I’ll tell you what unfair means, Joe Hockey, it means cutting support for the people who can least afford it.”

Mr Shorten said the budget was “a disgrace to fairness”.

“Labor and I reject the cynicism that divides Australia into the so-called lifters — successful businessmen, Coalition ministers, conservative media commentators — and the leaners — the disabled, the disabled pensioners, the people going to the doctor, the fixed-income pensioners and families with children between six and 16 receiving modest payments.”

Mr Shorten drew on budget measures such as the $7 GP co-payment and cuts to the pension as “unfair” policies that would harm the most vulnerable.

“Whichever way you crunch these budget numbers, the inescapable, unavoidable, ugly conclusion is that the people who do the heavy lifting in this budget are those least in the position to do so,” he said.

“(The government) has increased taxes, it has knighted people, but … Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey cannot answer the question of whether they housed the homeless.

They cannot answer the question: “have they protected the vulnerable?”

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/labor-maintains-attack-on-unfair-hockey-budget/story-fn59nsif-1226951903405

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boris1gary — Thu, 12 Jun 2014 07:40:26 GMT

icyfroth, so if they are the same as "you have always said" why the constant criticism for only the ALP or is this something new. I also see on the CEC site that they declare hockey to be "Goose-stepping" ...both headlines below are from the CEC site so I am just wondering is it only the position on banks that you agree with or some of their other positions?

Goose-stepping, fist-pumping Joe Hockey proclaims: austerity over democracy!

is this something that you would agree with? or this......

The economics of murder: $7 Medicare co-payment designed to stop sick seeing doctor

The $7 Medicare co-payment is a Nazi measure that will kill sick Australians—by design!

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icyfroth — Thu, 12 Jun 2014 12:16:27 GMT

I'm no great fan of Mr Abbott and the Liberals, Boris. I've always said Labor and Liberals are interchangeable and have a monopoly on Australia's political landscape.

But after seeing the farcical, backstabbing, blatant lying and dithering antics of the previous Labor government, there was simply no other choice but to give the job to Mr Abbott. Unfortunately there was no other choice.

I'd like to see Australia break free from the Labor/Liberal stranglehold and have a government that is not bought and paid for by the banks and corporations, that has national interests at heart. That's a big ask, I know.

Like many Australians, I want to see Mr Abbott succeed simply because I couldn't stomach a return to Labor leadership after seeing the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd circus finally leave town.

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boris1gary — Thu, 12 Jun 2014 12:21:15 GMT

@icyfroth wrote:
I'm no great fan of Mr Abbott and the Liberals, Boris. I've always said Labor and Liberals are interchangeable and have a monopoly on Australia's political landscape.

But after seeing the farcical, backstabbing, blatant lying and dithering antics of the previous Labor government, there was simply no other choice but to give the job to Mr Abbott. Unfortunately there was no other choice.

I'd like to see Australia break free from the Labor/Liberal stranglehold and have a government that is not bought and paid for by the banks and corporations, that has national interests at heart. That's a big ask, I know.

Like many Australians, I want to see Mr Abbott succeed simply because I couldn't stomach a return to Labor leadership after seeing the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd circus finally leave town.

you must be very disappointed so far then.

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icyfroth — Thu, 12 Jun 2014 12:30:04 GMT

@boris1gary wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
I'm no great fan of Mr Abbott and the Liberals, Boris. I've always said Labor and Liberals are interchangeable and have a monopoly on Australia's political landscape.

But after seeing the farcical, backstabbing, blatant lying and dithering antics of the previous Labor government, there was simply no other choice but to give the job to Mr Abbott. Unfortunately there was no other choice.

I'd like to see Australia break free from the Labor/Liberal stranglehold and have a government that is not bought and paid for by the banks and corporations, that has national interests at heart. That's a big ask, I know.

Like many Australians, I want to see Mr Abbott succeed simply because I couldn't stomach a return to Labor leadership after seeing the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd circus finally leave town.
you must be very disappointed so far then.

not as much as I was disappointed by Ms Gillard.

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boris1gary — Thu, 12 Jun 2014 13:05:52 GMT

Policy, budget aside, i don't get the whole "circus" thing. What was so surprising and "circus"? Gillard knocked Rudd off because of Rudds super profit tax, something that is done in other countries very successfully. It was a bad move by the right of the ALP (one of who has since retired from "politics, woohooo)and it backfired. I was shocked and annoyed when it happened but didn't read all the rubbish in the media about it for the next how many years. That tax was the one of the best things Rudd had done and the big mining companies didn't want it, they wouldn't have done anything but pay it, they can't take the land with them. We would have been able to spend that money on the Australian people, health, education, aged care, infrastructure, whatever.

Don't be surprised if there is a move on abbott closer to the next election, I hope not - i don't think he can win it. Policy is what matters, not gossipy stuff in rags run by one of the big corporations that backed abbott all the way.

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icyfroth — Thu, 12 Jun 2014 23:20:31 GMT

@boris1gary wrote:

Don't be surprised if there is a move on abbott closer to the next election, I hope not - i don't think he can win it. Policy is what matters, not gossipy stuff in rags run by one of the big corporations that backed abbott all the way.

Nothing much would surprise me about Australian politics, Boris, and it does't really matter anyway, because even if the heads change it will still be business as usual for the money-lenders in the temples.

Yes, policies are what matters and Mr Abbott has them. As you say, that's what matters, not the trashy headlines the rags run by other big Labor-backed corporations on his slips of the tongue, accidental mispronunciations, or attacks on his family.

As you see comments like that can be applied to either party.