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Aussie Jihadist On Disability Pension In Syria

icyfroth — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 01:28:02 GMT

Australian convicted terrorist Khaled Sharrouf reportedly continued to receive a disability pension months after arriving on the battlefields of Syria.

Sharrouf, who fled Australia for Syria using his brother's passport on December 6, continued to receive his disability support pension at least until February, about two months after he left Australia to join insurgents fighting the Syrian government, The Weekend Australian says.

The newspaper says revelations that the former Sydney man was paid his regular disability cheque - about $766 a fortnight - long after authorities knew he was gone raise the possibility that the taxpayer may have been inadvertently funding his activities.

It is not clear if Sharrouf accessed the money, the newspaper says, but his journey to Syria took him through Indonesia, Malaysia and Turkey, countries where he would have had ready access to any money paid into his bank account.

Sharrouf was jailed in 2005 for nearly four years for possessing six clocks and 140 batteries connected to a terrorist conspiracy in which 18 men were convicted over plans to attack targets in NSW and Victoria.

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He's come full circle hasn't he?

The parents come here to escape war and terror and give their kids a better life. Then the kids go back to the old country keep the viscious circle going.

All at Aussie taxpayers expense.

Very disappointing.

Re: Aussie Jihadist On Disability Pension In Syria

cherry*135 — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 01:38:19 GMT

2 months worth of DSP? How much would that fund?

Not clear if he accessed the money? What is this story based on, assumption?

If he left Aust. on his brothers passport Centrelink records would show he was still in Australia, therefore still eligible. Until they were notified of his false passport departure at least.

Re: Aussie Jihadist On Disability Pension In Syria

cherry*135 — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 01:41:46 GMT

"Sharrouf left Australia from Sydney on December 6 and authorities learned of his fraud by December 18 at the latest.

Human Services Minister Marise Payne declined yesterday to discuss the Sharrouf case, citing privacy concerns.

Under normal circumstances a disability support pension can be cancelled if the recipient is overseas for six weeks.

Ms Payne said the law as it stood did not allow authorities to cancel the payments of Australians suspected of involvement in criminal or extremist behaviour.

“(But) recent events have highlighted the need for further measures to ensure Australians engaged in terrorist activities are not receiving payments,’’ she told The Weekend Australian.

Sharrouf’s case was complicated by the fact that he left on his brother’s passport, suggesting there was a delay before police notified the Department of Human Services, a possibility alluded to by Ms Payne: “In relation to those who leave the country unlawfully, the government relies on advice from the relevant security and law enforcement agencies in relation to residency questions and cannot act until such advice is received.’’

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/terrorist-khaled-sharrouf-went-to-jihad-on-welfare/story-fn59niix-1226986295927

Re: Aussie Jihadist On Disability Pension In Syria

bluecat*dancing — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 01:48:35 GMT

So? That would have been around the $3k mark. If he was eligible for the dsp, then he was entitled to receive the payments.

Re: Aussie Jihadist On Disability Pension In Syria

boris1gary — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 01:51:00 GMT

@bluecat*dancing wrote:
So? That would have been around the $3k mark. If he was eligible for the dsp, then he was entitled to receive the payments.

yes but then who could we demonise (again) this week. and this way you get 2 for 1 - bonus.

Re: Aussie Jihadist On Disability Pension In Syria

azureline** — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 01:52:31 GMT

12 days.......... I wonder what he got for his money? some new batteries?

Re: Aussie Jihadist On Disability Pension In Syria

bluecat*dancing — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 01:53:48 GMT

LOL. True.

Re: Aussie Jihadist On Disability Pension In Syria

*mrgrizz* — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 02:07:55 GMT

seriously, you people can see nothing wrong with this?

he is too disabled to work, but can go overseas to fight...........right

Re: Aussie Jihadist On Disability Pension In Syria

tall_bearded01 — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 02:16:55 GMT

I think people are missing the real issue here.

The question which we should be asking is not why he was being paid after he left, but how did he qualified in the first place.

That is, the activities he is currently undertaking seem to demonstrate a capacity to undertake physical activity well in excess of what one would expect for someone so disabled as to qualify for a disability support pension. So how is it that he qualified in the first place.

Therefore I would think a few embarrassing questions directed towards the certifying doctor may be a good starting point.

Re: Aussie Jihadist On Disability Pension In Syria

bluecat*dancing — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 02:18:25 GMT

What is wrong to me is the short sentence he received for plotting terrorist attacks here. There is a certain amount of time that you can be out of the country while on DSP. This is being tightened up and the amount of time is being reduced.

Re: Aussie Jihadist On Disability Pension In Syria

bluecat*dancing — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 02:21:42 GMT

Its not that easy to be granted DSP. There are a lot of hoops that you have to jump through. He might not have been granted DSP for a physical disability but for a mental disability.

Re: Aussie Jihadist On Disability Pension In Syria

*mrgrizz* — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 02:22:26 GMT

@bluecat*dancing wrote:
What is wrong to me is the short sentence he received for plotting terrorist attacks here. There is a certain amount of time that you can be out of the country while on DSP. This is being tightened up and the amount of time is being reduced.

that is not what you said

we should be giving hin nothing.

he should not be allowed to return either

if he gets shot, travel insurance won't cover that.........he'll probably expect us to fly him home, which i believe should not be here

Re: Aussie Jihadist On Disability Pension In Syria

i-need-a-martini — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 02:24:48 GMT

I doubt if terrorist groups would care if a willing member is disabled or not.

So not sure why people are questioning his ability to recieve the pension. The issue of his disability pension (which from articles doesn't make clear if it was accessed but does make clear it was stopped in a timely manner) is separate from the issue of terrorist activities.

I can't imagine what would fill the pages of Murdoch newspapers if a handful of islamic bad eggs weren't around to keep their 'journalists' in a job.

By all means report on the seriousness of any Australian involved in terrorist activities. All of us need to know about this. But why devalue that information with silly information about pensions?

Re: Aussie Jihadist On Disability Pension In Syria

*mrgrizz* — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 02:27:19 GMT

@i-need-a-martini wrote:
I doubt if terrorist groups would care if a willing member is disabled or not.

So not sure why people are questioning his ability to recieve the pension. The issue of his disability pension (which from articles doesn't make clear if it was accessed but does make clear it was stopped in a timely manner) is separate from the issue of terrorist activities.

I can't imagine what would fill the pages of Murdoch newspapers if a handful of islamic bad eggs weren't around to keep their 'journalists' in a job.

By all means report on the seriousness of any Australian involved in terrorist activities. All of us need to know about this. But why devalue that information with silly information about pensions?

why are we paying a pension to a conviced terrorist?

they had australian targets.......meaning wanted to kill Australians.......he should be getting nothing

Re: Aussie Jihadist On Disability Pension In Syria

cherry*135 — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 02:27:56 GMT

Not from the angle the news story is going from - DSP used to fund extremists activities - for how long?(by an Aust who left the country on false passport, which is major blunder itself, how he was able to do that) News story doesn't have any facts about that how long the DSP was paid once that person left the country.

The newspaper states they don't even know if he accessed his DSP money after he left the country. Centrelink's response in my post above.

Re: Aussie Jihadist On Disability Pension In Syria

azureline** — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 02:29:36 GMT

I thought the thread was about him being paid a pension while out of the country and funding terrorist activity too................. silly me.

Re: Aussie Jihadist On Disability Pension In Syria

bluecat*dancing — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 02:29:39 GMT

If he is eligible for the DSP then he is entitled to receive it, whether he morally should or not is another matter. Is the issue that he is a convicted terrorist or on DSP? Then there is airport security. He was allowed to leave the country using his brother's passport. That is more of a concern to me than a few thousand bucks.

Re: Aussie Jihadist On Disability Pension In Syria

cherry*135 — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 02:29:40 GMT

Tall bearded wrote:

"I think people are missing the real issue here.

The question which we should be asking is not why he was being paid after he left, but how did he qualified in the first place."

That is not what the article quoted is about though.

Re: Aussie Jihadist On Disability Pension In Syria

tall_bearded01 — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 02:31:22 GMT

Yes they may have a mental disorder, but the same applies.

The test is one of capacity. That is ability/inability to do things.

Now I was in the military for 20 years and am quite aware of both the physical and mental demands that combat operations place on the individual, and the mere fact that it appears he is actively engaged in such operations indicates both a physical and mental capacity far in excess of what one should have and be entitled to the pension.

Re: Aussie Jihadist On Disability Pension In Syria

boris1gary — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 02:40:56 GMT

yes, maybe it's just me but try as i might to whip up some "disappointment" with a dash of "outrage" as one of those "aussie taxpayers" I just can't get past that other aussie tax payer funded bloke, you know the one on close to half a million (plus perks) who just this week managed to insult our WW11 veterans....maybe he has a different version of what "honour" means?

"Torture, starvation, murder and forced labour are not honourable.”