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Why would any young person do this?

i-need-a-martini — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 12:24:59 GMT

Work for Abbotts "Green Army" for $10 an hour when the minimum youth wage in Australia is around $18 an hour?

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbotts-green-army-ready-to-march-but-its-not-work-for-the-dole-20140802-zzqqp.html

Re: Why would any young person do this?

fourandsixpants — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 12:45:52 GMT

At least it's an improvement on what was offered under a workplace agreement contract during Howards time under WorkChoices. The minimum hourly wage back then was $12/ hour for an adult and some did not get paid at all. I know of one who worked for 13 months and did not get paid anything from their employer and this person had a guarantee attached to their workplace agreement, stamped apparently by the Federal Workplace Ombudsman too.

*wow a whole $10 per hour ........ wonderful isn't it?

ref. less than the Federal Minimum Wage.

actually I think this is probably breaching some IR law somewhere....or could be contested in a court of law....there are several courts of law available.......someone should do some research on this

Re: Why would any young person do this?

channys_mum — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 12:46:25 GMT

To help them not develop the on the dole mentality.

There may be a few youngsters out there with enough pride to get out and do something, rather than be happy with reporting to centrelink each week for the measley dole. They get to have something constructive to do with their day, and avoid the rut that stay at home centrelink repients often fall into.

Yep I am one of those mean old people that believe in conscription. Not to go to war, that's for the ones that choose to do so, but to learn a trade, self discipline, self worth etc.

Re: Why would any young person do this?

i-need-a-martini — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 12:50:23 GMT

But it's not meant to be a work for the dole scheme. Abbott is making that very clear.

In fact, I think they may get more on the work for the dole scheme.

I also don't understand why the figure was dropped. When he announced this great scheme as part of his election promise the salary was at minimum rate.

Re: Why would any young person do this?

j*oono — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 12:57:03 GMT

My son age 20 works for just over $10 an hour as a 2nd year apprentice. Sadly his tool allowance has now been axed so his nett income will be even less. He can always apply for a loan for tools now. Pfft

Re: Why would any young person do this?

cherry*135 — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 13:04:08 GMT

Is it voluntary to sign up.?

I can see a young person who would like to do conservation/environmental work as a career would be interested. They do get aCert ( I or II).

Doing volunteer work in the field of your choice can help get a foot in the door.

Re: Why would any young person do this?

nevynreally — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 13:05:02 GMT

@paintsew007 wrote:

*wow a whole $10 per hour ........ wonderful isn't it?

ref. less than the Federal Minimum Wage.
actually I think this is probably breaching some IR law somewhere....or could be contested in a court of law....there are several courts of law available.......someone should do some research on this

Beats getting money for sitting on your butt learning nothing about the real world.

Re: Why would any young person do this?

bella_again — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 13:16:52 GMT

Was this the scheme that wasn't going to cover the workers with worker cover or super? I think the fear is that by having lots of young people take on such low paid work that it would then create a consensus for lower wages across Australia.

It's not a lot to live on if you don't have other support networks. It's not a bad idea for people to gain new skills but I bet there is an agenda behind this that is yet to be revealed.

Re: Why would any young person do this?

fourandsixpants — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 13:20:03 GMT

err....excuse me. How is going out and chemically spraying blackberry bushes with cancerous causing agents, without all the required (expensive) protective clothing and gear, getting sunburnt, heat exhaustion/stroke, ticks.... beneficial to ANYONE?

Revegetating and replanting native species on previously mined areas and mining leases should be done and paid for by these companies....NOT tax payers- at the Federal Award rates or above.....and all gear paid for by these mining companies.

.................these would be not prime, good examples of 'learning about the world'?

Where are Abbitsmissing daughters in this shot - showing all the young that this sort of BS is not beneath them?

I mean the 3 daughters were good enough for all those campaign pics. Oh wait! Is that Margie in the shot? Bless her voluntary childcare centre wellie boots!...She looks so happy to be there too....

Re: Why would any young person do this?

cherry*135 — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 13:23:22 GMT

"it's an environmental traineeship."

That would cover the lower wage rate.

Not sure if the participants only work in their home area or they travel away to where the projects are.

Re: Why would any young person do this?

cherry*135 — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 13:24:43 GMT

Yay, paints you found Margie LOL.

Re: Why would any young person do this?

fourandsixpants — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 13:32:24 GMT

ref. Is it voluntary to sign up.?

I can see a young person who would like to do conservation/environmental work as a career would be interested. They do get aCert ( I or II).

Doing volunteer work in the field of your choice can help get a foot in the door.

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I guess if you close your eyes hard and make a wish.....anything could happen out there, like finding this mythical door opening opportunity of work. It'll happen for thousands and thousands of our young whilst they're spraying for blackberries (breathing in cancerous chemicals) getting heat stroke and catching foxes and revegetating mining leased land on behalf of backslapping neolibs mates.........*close your eyes hard now......don't you dare peek!

OOOOH! look.......

Re: Why would any young person do this?

cherry*135 — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 13:31:45 GMT

$10 p.h. x 40hrs a week x 26 weeks x 15 000 participants (by 2018) = $? Per 6 mths

Re: Why would any young person do this?

cherry*135 — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 13:35:42 GMT

There won't be 15 000 job vacancies avail every year in that field....not even 2500.

Re: Why would any young person do this?

fourandsixpants — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 13:45:07 GMT

$10/hr x 40 hrs/wk = $400

$400 x 26 wks(6 months) = $10,400

$10,400 x 15,000 participants = $156,000,000 for a 6 month period

From now in 2014 until same time in 2018 would be 8 x 6 month periods

$156,000,000 x 8 lots of 6 months = $1,248,000,000

only 1 billion and two hundred and forty eight million dollars

Re: Why would any young person do this?

fourandsixpants — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 13:47:11 GMT

ref. this BS in the media about Abbotts "Green Army"

what else you got pls?

Re: Why would any young person do this?

i-need-a-martini — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 14:02:18 GMT

@am*3 wrote:
"it's an environmental traineeship."

That would cover the lower wage rate.

Not sure if the participants only work in their home area or they travel away to where the projects are.

It may be a traineeship but they don't come out of it with a trade do they?

And the work isn't exactly educational - clearing scrub, planting trees, spraying weeds, clearing waterways of rubbish etc.

Re: Why would any young person do this?

languidlady49 — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 14:30:55 GMT

How's about you naysayers join the real current world, employment opportunities are falling rapidly, chat with someone self employed and business owners, times are getting hard. What would you like the young unemployed to do, sit home and experiment with drugs and alcohol, get each other pregnant or get out there and do something and earn a few bob.

Re: Why would any young person do this?

fourandsixpants — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 16:12:25 GMT

I would very much like my young adult children to get a decent part-time and/or full-time or indeed a casual job at a fair rate of pay. There are none. We have tried.

What is being spoken about here is paramount to slave labour.

Nothing is being 'offered' it sounds as if it will be a mandatory bit of legislation

It is not a new idea, it has been tried before by previous governments.

If it was/is such a great thing then why have these several same programs not continued with great success?

Times are getting hard regards employment.

This is what we vote in govts for - to find ways to create jobs.

This is not an example of job creation.

My kids hopefully won't be experimenting with drugs....and none of mine drink alcohol. Their own choice.

Yes lets demand that our government create jobs....instead of sending them offshore, giving them to 457 visa holders and similar (via their business mates' companies), closing manufacturing en masse, closing govt depts en masse too, shutting down small business grants and training, closing educational course opportunities directly and indirectly (by putting up fees to unaffordable levels).....at present we are not seeing genuine efforts to create jobs.

Don't underestimate our young Australian adults.....they see through this present governments mandate clearer than any previous generation before them.

Abbott had better remember that most of them are eligible to vote and many more will be voting at the next Federal election. You can bet on the outcome!

Re: Why would any young person do this?

fourandsixpants — Sun, 03 Aug 2014 16:41:05 GMT

.....and most importantly I forgot to add:

Who do I blame for the lack of jobs ?

I blame the free trade agreements our Australian Parliament endorses in bipartisanship.