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GILLARD/RUDD LET 120,000 ILLEGALS FLY IN

nero_bolt — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 02:25:05 GMT

In an astonishing Fairfax report, compiled from freedom of information documents, an estimated 120,000 illegal entrants flew into Australia between the years 2008 and 2013... and they remain here on fake passports and false documents.

The majority of illegal fly-ins are on fraudulent student visas and work permits and they departed mostly from Middle Eastern hot spots, including Afghanistan, under the auspices of people smugglers.

Perhaps Sarah Hanson-Young might be convinced to call these people illegal immigrants? Hmmm, no. Sarah will shed another tear while she describes them as more desperate refugees escaping persecution.

The SMH complains that. “... they arrive unchecked while the Government focuses on stopping boats.”

In a comprehensive lead article not once is it mentioned that illegal arrivals on both boats and planes began and continued under the Gillard/Rudd regime.

Fairfax continues, “The confidential Immigration Department files reveal repeated internal warnings over several years that widespread visa fraud is 'business as usual' yet remains largely untreated because the department's investigation and enforcement capacity had collapsed.

“... an internal inquiry into Afghan visa applicants in 2012 assessed that more than 90 per cent of cases contained fraud of some type and raised people smuggling, identity fraud, suspected child trafficking and national security implications.

“Also, a 2010 report reveals that immigration investigators had uncovered a Somali people-smuggling cell in Melbourne linked to terrorist suspect Hussein Hashi Farah, who ‘is believed to have links to the al-Qaeda offshoot al-Shabab’ and who fled Kenyan counterterrorism officials using an Australian passport in 2010.

“But the departmental file shows that a 2009 investigation into the cell's activities was deemed low priority and ceased due to a lack of resources". Hmmm, 2009? Again no mention of the responsible Government of K. Rudd.

■ “Tens of thousands of immigration fraudsters living freely after being assisted by migration crime networks exploiting weaknesses in working, student, family and humanitarian visa programs, including loopholes that have left the department sometimes 'generating the fraud'.

■ “The (immigration) department is 'responsible for granting a record number of student visas to people who may not be considered genuine students as well as granting permanent residence to skilled migration applicants who do not have the appropriate skills being claimed.

■ “In 2013, department chiefs were warned in a confidential report that the agency's investigations arm had collapsed, risking the integrity of its programs and ultimately national security."

Hmmm, let me think, I'm almost certain that was under the Gillard Government.

Fairfax continues, “A 2010 report into a Somali people-smuggling network stated that despite evidence pointing to multiple breaches of the Criminal Code Act and the Migration Act, the department had secured only one minor prosecution. Media attention and three PMQs [prime minister briefings] on this issue have not been enough for the government to address this situation, the immigration file states.

“Another 2010 report states that evidence uncovered to date indicates that fraud within the General Skilled Migration program is extensive with estimates at around 90 per cent [or] more than 40,000 suspect visa applications lodged per year for the last three years.''

Scott Morrison demands urgent report from Immigration Department about claims of widespread visa fraud and migration crime

Immigration Minister Scott Morrison has demanded an urgent report from his department about allegations of widespread visa fraud and migration crime uncovered by a Fairfax Media investigation.

Mr Morrison said on Thursday he was as serious about stopping visa fraud as he was about stopping the boats and conceded that fraud in Australia's visa program could be costing Australians jobs.

The allegations, based on hundreds of pages of leaked documents, show widespread visa-rorting and migration rackets are operating in Australia, with some having links to terrorism and organised crime.

Re: GILLARD/RUDD LET 120,000 ILLEGALS FLY IN

karliandjacko — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 02:30:45 GMT

Oh my goodness, what were they thinking? Gillard and Rudd should have been standing at the airport, like Howard did, checking all entrants legality instead of doing their real jobs. How dare they entrust that important work to the minions in the relavent departments?

Any record of the numbers who arrived before 2008?

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fiestas*girl — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 02:52:45 GMT

one also wonders at labors human rights record, in comparison to this bunch?

one also wonders why, after almost 12 months in office this lot STILL refer their decision making issues to the previous government...really guys, let it go, time to move on and accept responsibility for your own actions...go on, you can do it

Re: GILLARD/RUDD LET 120,000 ILLEGALS FLY IN

nero_bolt — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 02:59:20 GMT

@karliandjacko wrote:

Any record of the numbers who arrived before 2008?

Ask Fairfax they did this story... Sydney Morning Herald to be exact a good left leaning newspaper

@fiestas*girl wrote:

one also wonders why, after almost 12 months in office this lot STILL refer their decision making issues to the previous government...really guys, let it go, time to move on and accept responsibility for your own actions...go on, you can do it

You had also better ask Fairfax media as they are the ones that did this story NOT the govt.. Sydney Morning Herald to be exact a good left leaning newspaper So if either of you two want answers to your questions get in contact with the SMH,,,,

Re: GILLARD/RUDD LET 120,000 ILLEGALS FLY IN

azureline** — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 03:14:55 GMT

Re: GILLARD/RUDD LET 120,000 ILLEGALS FLY IN

karliandjacko — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 03:43:43 GMT

Ask Fairfax they did this story...

The OP wrote the thread title, naming Gillard and Rudd, rather than use the one in the SMH.

Re: GILLARD/RUDD LET 120,000 ILLEGALS FLY IN

freddie*rooster — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 03:59:13 GMT

So Kev was a Qantas Pilot and Julia was a trolley Dolly for Qantas in their spare time?

Well I never

Re: GILLARD/RUDD LET 120,000 ILLEGALS FLY IN

fourandsixpants — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 04:12:48 GMT

Re: GILLARD/RUDD LET 120,000 ILLEGALS FLY IN

*mrgrizz* — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 04:24:57 GMT

they were not let in illegally.

immigration will not let you through if you don't have a valid visa or they suspect you of not abiding to your visa.

these people overstay their visa and or work on a holiday visa or the wrong type of visa.

most are caught and deported.......we have done this before.

sorry but you can't blame this one on the previous government.

guess what??........it is still happening today.

Re: GILLARD/RUDD LET 120,000 ILLEGALS FLY IN

fourandsixpants — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 04:26:28 GMT

Agreed.

My silly pic post was a flippant TIC effort....as usual. I lov pics

Re: GILLARD/RUDD LET 120,000 ILLEGALS FLY IN

polksaladallie — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 04:49:47 GMT

At last! I and others have been trying to get you to acknowledge that more asylum seekers etc. arrived by air than they ever did by sea.

If course they never did that before 2007, and have not done it since last September.

Re: GILLARD/RUDD LET 120,000 ILLEGALS FLY IN

icyfroth — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 05:00:09 GMT

The point being made is that the Fairfax article is heaping scorn on the current government for looking the other way as illegal entries are being made via our aiports, while keeping silent about the 10s of 1000s illegal entries being made during the years of Labor government.

Why the faux outrage now as against the complicit silence during those years?

Re: GILLARD/RUDD LET 120,000 ILLEGALS FLY IN

fourandsixpants — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 05:00:15 GMT

How do we know this for sure polka?

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polksaladallie — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 05:10:26 GMT

We just do. It was caused by Labor, so has stopped now.

Re: GILLARD/RUDD LET 120,000 ILLEGALS FLY IN

icyfroth — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 05:16:53 GMT

@*mrgrizz* wrote:
they were not let in illegally.
immigration will not let you through if you don't have a valid visa or they suspect you of not abiding to your visa.

As far as I recall, Grizz. fake passports and fraudulent student and work visas, overstaying those visas, and other ppl smuggling schemes are illegal.

these people overstay their visa and or work on a holiday visa or the wrong type of visa.

most are caught and deported.......we have done this before.

Obviously, many more are not caught and are living, studying and working here illegally.

sorry but you can't blame this one on the previous government.

Actually you can, because they let it go unchecked for years...

guess what??........it is still happening today.

...and it's still happening today because it's years worth of problems that have been left for this government to sort out, and to clear the up the mess left for them.

"Mr Morrison said on Thursday he was as serious about stopping visa fraud as he was about stopping the boats and conceded that fraud in Australia's visa program could be costing Australians jobs."

Re: GILLARD/RUDD LET 120,000 ILLEGALS FLY IN

polksaladallie — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 05:30:09 GMT

THERE are enough illegal immigrants living in Australia to fill a large regional city, and nearly all of these 58,400 people arrive by plane.

There are 13 times more illegal immigrants than there are asylum seekers in detention who have arrived by boat.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/illegal-immigrants-arrive-by-plane/story-e6frea6u-1226200568050

Now that the boats have nearly stopped for the time being, it is obviously time to pick on another group of people. (raison d'etre)

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fourandsixpants — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 05:33:33 GMT

We just do. It was caused by Labor, so has stopped now.

.........................................................................................................................................................................................

wow.

....'caused' by a different govt and has 'stopped' now .......*wow

Re: GILLARD/RUDD LET 120,000 ILLEGALS FLY IN

karliandjacko — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 05:35:26 GMT

@icyfroth wrote:
The point being made is that the Fairfax article is heaping scorn on the current government for looking the other way as illegal entries are being made via our aiports, while keeping silent about the 10s of 1000s illegal entries being made during the years of Labor government.

Why the faux outrage now as against the complicit silence during those years?

What faux outrage and silence? It has been said for years that more people arrive by boat than sea and that most illegals have overstayed their visa.

It didn't start under Rudd or Gillard. There have been a couple of amnesties where illegal citizens have been allowed to apply for residency without penalty. I doubt they'd have done that if the problem started with Rudd Gillard as you've indicated.

Re: GILLARD/RUDD LET 120,000 ILLEGALS FLY IN

polksaladallie — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 05:50:47 GMT

Here's one.

Kamahl admits his illegal immigrant start to life in Australia

Re: GILLARD/RUDD LET 120,000 ILLEGALS FLY IN

karliandjacko — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 05:54:00 GMT

Isn't the new SA Governor an ex illegal boat person?