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Halal Choices

nero_bolt — Mon, 01 Sep 2014 07:27:34 GMT

Halal Choices..... are you concerned with the halal slaughter of animals such as beef, lamb and poultry.

To be halal certified the animal must be facing Mecca, have its throat cut while still alive and then ritually sacrificed by a Muslim who recites a prayer dedicating the slaughter to Allah.

Because the animals must be slaughtered alive, stun guns are often not an option as they can kill an animal before the heart pumps out all the blood.

http://www.halalchoices.com.au/index.html

Do you read the lables to see whats HALAL or not HALAL Do you purchase HALAL products or not?

Thoughts on the slaughter of animals for HALAL

http://www.halalchoices.com.au/what_is_halal.html

Products That Are Halal Certified

http://www.halalchoices.com.au/product_lists_halal.html

http://www.halalchoices.com.au/product_lists.html

Products That Are Not Halal Certified

http://www.halalchoices.com.au/product_lists_nonhalal.html

Interesting youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mSP47FAtn6U

The presenter is Kirralie Smith, an average Aussie housewife, who does the weekly grocery shopping.

Ms Smith became aware, then alarmed, about the Islamic halal certification on so many of her shopping list items. She looked for a list of halal certified foods so she could make informed choices about what to buy and what to avoid.

There was no such list, yet so many supermarket products were stamped 'halal certified'.

Ms Smith started to do her own investigation, calling supermarket chains, grocery producers - even the halal certifiers - all so she could be better informed when she went to do her shopping.

She has personally contacted over 500 companies to determine their halal certification status.

What she discovered was bigger than big.

Kirralie Smith is the founder and director of HalalChoices. Kirralie holds a BA in Theology and lives with her family in coastal New South Wales. What started as an attempt to put together a shopping list for her family led to two years of research into halal certification schemes in Australia; as well as our most comprehensive resource concerning these tax-like schemes now imposed on the majority of our food products.

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*mrgrizz* — Mon, 01 Sep 2014 07:31:15 GMT

tell be one abattoir in Australia where animals aren't stunned before slaughter?

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lightningdance — Mon, 01 Sep 2014 07:31:47 GMT

I wonder if the poor devils being beheaded or having their throats cut have a halal pyayer said over them.

Stone age barbaric practices.

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the_great_she_elephant — Mon, 01 Sep 2014 07:35:37 GMT

I wouldn't buy halal (or kosher killed) meat for the same reason that I don't buy cage eggs,and only eat free range pork and chicken. but halal applies to ANY foodand simply means it can be eaten by Muslims without breaking their dietary rules. I suspect that the reason most halal food is not specifically labelled is because most Australian food is halal by default anyway.

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nero_bolt — Mon, 01 Sep 2014 07:42:50 GMT

Products That Are Halal Certified

http://www.halalchoices.com.au/product_lists_halal.html

WOW huge list ..... why do we need so many foods HALAL certified..

Why does fruit have to be HALAL certified? and bread? and so many other foods

Why do Hot Cross Buns need to be HALAL?

What is this costing us in hidden costs in a $ value in our food

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the_great_she_elephant — Mon, 01 Sep 2014 07:48:09 GMT

@nero_wulf wrote:
Products That Are Halal Certified
http://www.halalchoices.com.au/product_lists_halal.html

WOW huge list ..... why do we need so many foods HALAL certified..

Why does fruit have to be HALAL certified? and bread? and so many other foods

Why do Hot Cross Buns need to be HALAL?

What is this costing us in hidden costs in a $ value in our food

It's a marketing ploy to con potential customers into thinking the product is better than an identicl one that doesn't have the label - just like advertising something as low GI or 97% fat free.

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*mrgrizz* — Mon, 01 Sep 2014 07:56:34 GMT

if you really want to get up in arms about something, ask about the over the top food safety standards for both Coles and Woolworths.

adds 100's of thousands of dollars to the operating cost of every company that supplies them.

cost of halal certification is tiny

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***super_nova*** — Mon, 01 Sep 2014 08:00:25 GMT

There is debate within Islamic law on whether or not stunning the animal first violates this rule, but Jewish law is very clear on the matter. Stunning methods cause injury to the animal, making the meat that ultimately comes from it non-kosher. Muslims can generally eat kosher food, but Jews cannot eat all halal food. With exception of alcohol, which is not halal, but can be kosher.

Interestingly, I do not recall ever anybody being concerned about kosher meat and the slaughter practices. And as far as the other food stuff goes, the little stamp it is not different to having ingredients, or warning about nuts on the label. Besides the slaughtering rule, the halal requirements are really just basic food safety standards, which are high in this country already, and there is no additional testing needed. That is why just about anything can be halal

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the_hawk* — Mon, 01 Sep 2014 08:01:36 GMT

@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
I wouldn't buy halal (or kosher killed) meat for the same reason that I don't buy cage eggs,and only eat free range pork and chicken. but halal applies to ANY foodand simply means it can be eaten by Muslims without breaking their dietary rules. I suspect that the reason most halal food is not specifically labelled is because most Australian food is halal by default anyway.

More the fact that the food producer pays to use the halal label and the funds are used to fund terrorism.

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boris1gary — Mon, 01 Sep 2014 08:06:52 GMT

@the_hawk* wrote:
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
I wouldn't buy halal (or kosher killed) meat for the same reason that I don't buy cage eggs,and only eat free range pork and chicken. but halal applies to ANY foodand simply means it can be eaten by Muslims without breaking their dietary rules. I suspect that the reason most halal food is not specifically labelled is because most Australian food is halal by default anyway.
More the fact that the food producer pays to use the halal label and the funds are used to fund terrorism.

that is a big accusation, ring asio if you have such knowledge - you will be hailed as a hero and be on the front page of every rag in the country.

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lightningdance — Mon, 01 Sep 2014 08:08:11 GMT

I dont buy halal because of the billions of dollars it extorts goes to aid isal and el queada and other terrorists group's.

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the_great_she_elephant — Mon, 01 Sep 2014 08:09:33 GMT

@*mrgrizz* wrote:
tell be one abattoir in Australia where animals aren't stunned before slaughter?

Even if there are one or two such abattoirs, I suspect the nimals slaughtered there are killed more humanely than those in some of the countries to which we export our livestock. In view of this, I wonder if we can expect to see Nero and Lightning on the picket line protesting the live export trade

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li.vish — Mon, 01 Sep 2014 08:11:23 GMT

Hello, everyone. This thread is getting a little off-topic. Could we please bring the discussion back to "Halal Choices" and avoid unnecessary stereotyping. Thanks!

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*mrgrizz* — Mon, 01 Sep 2014 08:11:26 GMT

my last reply was just a general reply, not aimed at you personally.

i would love to see all live trade stopped

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*mrgrizz* — Mon, 01 Sep 2014 08:12:38 GMT

you need to apply for "ritual slaughter" very few are done within Australia

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ufo_investigations — Mon, 01 Sep 2014 08:19:56 GMT

I don't buy halal because it is unethical killing of animals and the money they get goes to terrorist groups overseas.

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the_great_she_elephant — Mon, 01 Sep 2014 08:20:20 GMT

@*mrgrizz* wrote:
my last reply was just a general reply, not aimed at you personally.

i would love to see all live trade stopped

All good, Mr Grizz, - and I wasn't replying personally either, just adding my own thoughts to your comments. I, too would like to see an end to the live trade.

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***super_nova*** — Mon, 01 Sep 2014 08:24:13 GMT

@lightningdance wrote:
I dont buy halal because of the billions of dollars it extorts goes to aid isal and el queada and other terrorists group's.

could you please explain how marking food as halal extorts any $ ? All what halal means in regard to food other than meat, is that it was handled correctly, does not contain any alcohol, or shelfish that was not handled correctly.

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the_great_she_elephant — Mon, 01 Sep 2014 08:26:50 GMT

@ufo_investigations wrote:
I don't buy halal because it is unethical killing of animals and the money they get goes to terrorist groups overseas.

It's only unethical if the animals are not stunned before having their throats cut and as for the money I imagine most of it goes towards feeding. clothing and educating the families of the farmers, abattoir owners, slaughtermen, meat packers, truck drivers, shop staff and everyoneelse involved in the production chain.

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lightningdance — Mon, 01 Sep 2014 08:33:36 GMT

So this is aimed at me and nero. What are you getting at, what is your agenda? this is about halal killing not live exports.

Every time you respond you make it personal, just what is your problem other than you dont like my politics or nero’s either by you response.