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Uniformed Australian Defence Force member attacked

nero_bolt — Thu, 25 Sep 2014 08:36:25 GMT

Immigration gave us a country where the armed forces no longer dare wear uniforms in our street

This is no longer the Australia we knew.

This is no longer something to be dismissed as just a problem with a tiny, unrepresentative minority:

A MEMBER of the Australian defence forces has been assaulted and threatened by two men of Middle Eastern appearance in Bellavista in north-western Sydney.

The attack follows the knife attack on two police officers in Victoria that ended with an 18-year-old Islamic extremist being shot dead in Victoria.

NSW Police confirmed today that they were investigating the alleged attack on a member of the Australian Defence Force in full navy uniform at 6 o’clock this morning.

It is understood punches were thrown and threats of beheading were made.

A police spokesman confirmed the 41-year-old man allegedly suffered minor bruising in the attack and reported it later by telephone to Kings Cross police.

“The two men were described as being of middle eastern appearance,” the spokesman said.

Defence force families have already been put on high alert after an incident in Western Sydney in which two men of Middle Eastern appearance approached the house of a serving soldier and asked if defence force personnel lived there.

They left after the wife of the soldier told them “no”.

NSW Police have also been told to be “vigilant” following the Melbourne attack by radicalised teenager Numan Haider.

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amalan11 — Thu, 25 Sep 2014 11:40:27 GMT

its an absolute disgrace this happened in the centre of Sydney.Im sure something awful will end up happening very soon.Defence personnel should be safe like we all should but its just not safe anymore.

Im starting to wonder if all the media coverage is making it worse though ,giving crazy people ideas

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lionrose.7 — Thu, 25 Sep 2014 11:42:28 GMT

and so it starts

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2014/09/25/21/16/man-with-knife-threatens-muslim-school

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karliandjacko — Thu, 25 Sep 2014 11:51:10 GMT

@amalan11 wrote:
its an absolute disgrace this happened in the centre of Sydney.Im sure something awful will end up happening very soon.Defence personnel should be safe like we all should but its just not safe anymore.
Im starting to wonder if all the media coverage is making it worse though ,giving crazy people ideas

Yes, that is a possibility. Imo the govt are not helping. They refuse to divulge all information about asylum seekers for "security" reasons and make a spectacle of the IS extremism. They are encouraging a deep divide within the community with the way they have approached the IS issue.

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kilroy_is_here — Thu, 25 Sep 2014 12:51:57 GMT

This was always going to happen you can't come into a culture where for a great many of the community a good night out is going down the pub on a Friday or Saturday night to see who can get into a fight and expect to be able to throw your wait around with out there being an immediate and unthought out response

We are just one innocent dead Australian way from there being mosques raised to the ground, I feel extremely sorry for the innocent Muslims in this country, but the only way they can stop it is to stop their own from making just as stupid decisions and attacking Australians

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ufo_investigations — Thu, 25 Sep 2014 13:01:10 GMT

Members from the religion of peace have been at it again. This country is going to be messed up, what's happened to Australia? How dare they assault our military they should be jailed or deported.

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ufo_investigations — Thu, 25 Sep 2014 13:10:19 GMT

I was watching the news earlier and they showed 2 muslim women saying they don't believe the cops version of events and that how can an 18-year-old do that? They don't believe the cops. Those women should be deported too.

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this-one-time-at-bandcamp — Thu, 25 Sep 2014 16:36:59 GMT

So, how do you define "Middle Eastern Looking"? Could some Italian or Greeks have those features? How about Sihks and Israelis? Might someone with Hispanic heritage be mistaken for Semite?

Now, if they were screaming "Allah Akbar" as they punched, that might be a clue.........

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lightningdance — Thu, 25 Sep 2014 20:40:01 GMT

@karliandjacko wrote:
@amalan11 wrote:
its an absolute disgrace this happened in the centre of Sydney.Im sure something awful will end up happening very soon.Defence personnel should be safe like we all should but its just not safe anymore.
Im starting to wonder if all the media coverage is making it worse though ,giving crazy people ideas
Yes, that is a possibility. Imo the govt are not helping. They refuse to divulge all information about asylum seekers for "security" reasons and make a spectacle of the IS extremism. They are encouraging a deep divide within the community with the way they have approached the IS issue.

So this is the governments fault? again? the media's fault? again? for doing what it's supposed to do, what we expect our media to do? what we expect our government to do?

This is Australia we are a free and democratic country with a free press and that's how it should be.

Here we see spouting it's the fault of the media and they should stop? this is just what the terrorists want and here we have you bowing to their terror calling for the media to be muzzled for fear we might be killed in our own country by radical extremists.

This terror has been visited on us by the extremists who have been radicalised by islam and it's been happening for many years. The radical bookshops for one.

To blame the media and the government? I can't put just what I think of these comments.

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lightningdance — Thu, 25 Sep 2014 21:14:08 GMT

More information about the surburban would be isil killer who planned and tried to execute 2 police officers. One thing that puzzles me is the way Ken Lay has totally stuffed up information getting out, he's all over the place making statements then re making other statements.

I wish he's keep his mouth shut until all the facts are in. First of all he says it had no relation to the isil fatwa called on innocent Australian citizens, now we are seeing it was a planned attack and he had the isil flag on him.

POLICE investigating the teenage terror attack have closed in on three men who shared a final, fast-food meal with Numan Haider before he drove to a police station and attempted to stab to death two officers.

Detectives have reviewed security camera footage and questioned staff at nearby Hungry Jack’s restaurants to establish the identity of Haider’s companions and whether they played any role in the bloody events that ended with the 18-year-old shot dead outside the Endeavour Hills police station in Melbourne’s outer southeastern suburbs.

It is understood Haider had a telephone conversation from the restaurant with police before he drove to the police station armed with two knives and an Islamic State flag. Haider wanted to meet police at the restaurant. Police insisted he go to the station.

Haider’s death has reverberated across the country and the world. Tony Abbott referenced it in his address to the UN Security Council in New York. Law-enforcement authorities in Australia fear it will stoke community tensions. The Prime Minister declared Australia would be “utterly unflinching towards anything that threatens our future as a free, fair and multicultural society”.

NSW police are investigating separate assaults in Sydney against a uniformed member of the Australian Defence Forces and a navy sailor. Both assaults were reportedly carried out by men of Middle-Eastern appearance.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/terror/hunt-for-pack-mates-of-lone-wolf-numan-haider/story-fnpdbcmu-1227070870582

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lightningdance — Thu, 25 Sep 2014 21:19:20 GMT

Conflicting messages from the Vic police and Ken Lay. Was he a lone wolf? no, it seems he was not.

"Police believe the three men seen at the Hungry Jack’s restaurant with Haider may hold the key to understanding what prompted a recent high-school graduate from a well-educated, middle-class Afghan family to take on a suburban suicide mission.

Police also want to find a man who may have accompanied Haider to the police station.

A local shop owner has told police that he saw the man, dressed in traditional Islamic garb, observing the confrontation in the well-lit carpark.

Victoria Police Chief Commissioner Ken Lay yesterday left open the possibility Haider was not acting alone when he took the fateful decision to attack police."

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lightningdance — Thu, 25 Sep 2014 21:29:31 GMT

We can only hope this murderer is caught and punished for his brutal crimes. This is what young Australian jihadists aspire to, this is what we are up against.

THE FBI believes it has identified the man with a British accent who has appeared in videos depicting the beheadings of two American journalists and a British aid worker.

James Comey, FBI Director, told reporters he would not reveal the name or nationality of the man nicknamed by the media ‘Jihadi John.

He did not address whether the US believes the man actually carried out the killings himself.

The full beheadings are not shown in the videos, but the articulate, English-speaking militant holds a long knife and in each video appears to begin sawing at the necks of the three men, American reporters James Foley and Steven Sotloff and British aid worker David Haines.

Alan Hennings, a British taxi driver who was captured in Syria last December while helping in the aid effort, appeared at the end of the David Haines execution video, and the jihadist threatened that he would be killed next.

In late August, British Ambassador Peter Westmacott said his country was close to identifying the Islamic State group militant.

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***super_nova*** — Thu, 25 Sep 2014 21:43:27 GMT

@kilroy_is_here wrote:

We are just one innocent dead Australian way from there being mosques raised to the ground, I feel extremely sorry for the innocent Muslims in this country, but the only way they can stop it is to stop their own from making just as stupid decisions and attacking Australians

Only the mosques have some hope to persuade Muslim kids that ISIL is not true Muslim organisation.

Why not just raze to the ground whole Endevour Hills? After all that is where this boy came from?

Interestingly, some of these peaceful Ausies have always wanted to destroy mosques, or at least not allow them to be built. I remember when the mosque in Lysterfield, on the foothills of the Dandenong Ranges, was being built. There were constant attacks, pigs heads were left there and anti Islam slogans. That was back in early 1980s. The anti Islam propaganda got only worse from then.

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***super_nova*** — Thu, 25 Sep 2014 21:52:09 GMT

@ufo_investigations wrote:
I was watching the news earlier and they showed 2 muslim women saying they don't believe the cops version of events and that how can an 18-year-old do that? They don't believe the cops. Those women should be deported too.

So, you are saying people should be deported because they do not believe something ? Yes, they are naive if they think 18 years old could not do that. But it also very natural reaction of somebody who knew the person. We tend to think of people who commit horrible crimes as monsters, non humans. If somebody who you know does something like that, the 1st reaction is a disbelieve.

But I heard one young woman saying that she knew him for few years, and he was a very shy lovely boy, always willing to help anybody who needed help. She said that "she could not understand, how the boy she knew, could have done something like that". Amazing, how few changed words give the very similar statement completely different meaning.

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azureline** — Thu, 25 Sep 2014 22:04:36 GMT

@ufo_investigations wrote:
I was watching the news earlier and they showed 2 muslim women saying they don't believe the cops version of events and that how can an 18-year-old do that? They don't believe the cops. Those women should be deported too.

We haven't actually heard the "cops" version yet...............

There are a great many people who aren't Muslim expressing the same sentiments, where should we send them, for their opinions?

I thought the Defence Force had ordered their members not to be in uniform after the first assault? Not sure where I saw that but I recall thinking that was an unrealistic request and more precautions needed.

Disgusting that people are behaving so badly at the moment and doubly disgusting that anyone would threaten children in a school, with a knife.

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lightningdance — Thu, 25 Sep 2014 22:20:03 GMT

@azureline** wrote:
@ufo_investigations wrote:
I was watching the news earlier and they showed 2 muslim women saying they don't believe the cops version of events and that how can an 18-year-old do that? They don't believe the cops. Those women should be deported too.
We haven't actually heard the "cops" version yet...............
There are a great many people who aren't Muslim expressing the same sentiments, where should we send them, for their opinions?
I thought the Defence Force had ordered their members not to be in uniform after the first assault? Not sure where I saw that but I recall thinking that was an unrealistic request and more precautions needed.
Disgusting that people are behaving so badly at the moment and "doubly disgusting that anyone would threaten children in a school, with a knife."

Doubly disgusting??? did anybody get injured, have they found the perpetrator, and until they do the viscious attack on the police is the most frightening thing and that was done by a muslim jihadist, ignoring that is ignoring all that's happening in our country and the world.

This is a radical muslim uprising and that FACT cannot be ignored. We do not deserve this, we did nothing to deserve this, this is not OUR fault.

The dishonesty and excuses are being served up.

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azureline** — Thu, 25 Sep 2014 22:32:53 GMT

Please stop rewriting my posts.

Children should never be subjected to violence of that nature, why would you defend a person who does that?

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alexander*beetle — Thu, 25 Sep 2014 22:36:12 GMT

@azureline** wrote:
@ufo_investigations wrote:
I was watching the news earlier and they showed 2 muslim women saying they don't believe the cops version of events and that how can an 18-year-old do that? They don't believe the cops. Those women should be deported too.
We haven't actually heard the "cops" version yet...............
There are a great many people who aren't Muslim expressing the same sentiments, where should we send them, for their opinions?
I thought the Defence Force had ordered their members not to be in uniform after the first assault? Not sure where I saw that but I recall thinking that was an unrealistic request and more precautions needed.
Disgusting that people are behaving so badly at the moment and doubly disgusting that anyone would threaten children in a school, with a knife.

It is so sad to see. An eye for an eye is still the way people think and it is so wrong. There is absolutely no excuse for threatening children. It seems it's just giving angry people an excuse to behave appallingly.

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lightningdance — Thu, 25 Sep 2014 22:41:47 GMT

@azureline** wrote:
Please stop rewriting my posts.

Children should never be subjected to violence of that nature, why would you defend a person who does that?

Now you are re writing my post. I did not defend violence against children and for you to say so is antagonistic.

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purplecarrot-top — Thu, 25 Sep 2014 22:43:56 GMT

Anyone remember the return of our soldiers from Vietnam? My husband does.