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GERMANY incest between siblings

nero_bolt — Fri, 26 Sep 2014 01:25:12 GMT

GERMANY’S national ethics council wants to allow incest between siblings

German Ethics Council votes in favour of allowing incest between siblings

GERMANY’S national ethics council wants to allow incest between siblings, saying the risk of disability in children isn’t enough to warrant the law.

The Independent reports that the council made the recommendation after reviewing the case of Patrick Stuebing, a man who was adopted as a child and met his half-sister when he was 24 and she was 16.

The pair have four children together, however he was jailed for three years in 2008 and his sister, Susan Karolewski, was only allowed to keep one out of their four children.

Two of the children are disabled although it is unclear if that is a result of their parents being related.

Overnight, the German Ethics Council recommended that Section 173 of the German criminal code, which makes incest an offence under which offenders can be jailed for years, be repealed.

The chairman of the council, Christiane Woopen, was among the 14 members voting in favour of repealing the law, while nine people voted for the ban to continue and two abstained.

“The majority of the German Ethics Council is of the opinion that it is not appropriate for a criminal law to preserve a social taboo,” the council said. “In the case of consensual incest among adult siblings, neither the fear of negative consequences for the family, nor the possibility of the birth of children from such incestuous relationships can justify a criminal prohibition.

“The fundamental right of adult siblings to sexual self-determination has more weight in such cases than the abstract protection of the family,” the council added. “Incest between siblings appears to be very rare in Western societies according to the available data but those affected describe how difficult their situation is in light of the threat of punishment.”

Elisabeth Winkelmeier-Becker, a spokeswoman for Angela Merkel’s CDU party, said the abolition of the law against incest would send the wrong message.

“Abolishing criminal punishment against incestuous actions within a family would go completely against protecting the undisturbed development of children,” she told Deutsche Welle.

The Ethics Council’s recommendation only covered incest between siblings and members did not recommend decriminalising sex between parents and children.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/german-ethics-council-votes-in-favour-of-allowing-incest-between-siblings/story-fni0dpm5-1227069702897

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the_hawk* — Fri, 26 Sep 2014 01:43:55 GMT

its a crazy world

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softail-joanie — Fri, 26 Sep 2014 02:00:35 GMT

I'm in no way saying this is morrally ok, however, if they are both consenting adults, I don't see that it's any state or federal government's bussiness to ban such a thing. Therefore it shouldn't even be a voting issue and what happends in Germany, please let it stay in Germany, only a request, not a demand.

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gkam2 — Fri, 26 Sep 2014 02:06:39 GMT

I hope they don't make it compulsory.

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daydream**believer — Fri, 26 Sep 2014 02:14:23 GMT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tqxzWdKKu8

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love*today — Fri, 26 Sep 2014 02:46:00 GMT

I love how they say there isn't enough risk to children being born with disabilities and then goes on to say half their children are disabled.

Why isn't she allowed to keep all the children?

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channys_mum — Fri, 26 Sep 2014 04:43:46 GMT

Incest is not just brother and sister acts.

Where does the line get drawn and how does the line get drawn.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/the-case-of-incest-and-depravity-which-came-to-rest-in-the-hills-of-a-quiet-country-town/story-fnixwvgh-1226780575248#

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azureline** — Fri, 26 Sep 2014 04:48:36 GMT

@channys_mum wrote:
Incest is not just brother and sister acts.
Where does the line get drawn and how does the line get drawn.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/the-case-of-incest-and-depravity-which-came-to-rest-in-the-hills-of-a-quiet-country-town/story-fnixwvgh-1226780575248#

I read the court transcripts of that case and it was so sickening, I stopped before the end.................... I don't understand why they said the disabilities were not related to the incest although they could be things like autism, blindness, speech, spina bifida etc I suppose.

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bushies.girl — Fri, 26 Sep 2014 04:49:49 GMT

I read the article some time ago, so sad 😞

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kilroy_is_here — Fri, 26 Sep 2014 04:54:26 GMT

Do I risk saying I told you so ,I'm I up for another attack on my character , aww what the hell I TOLD YOU SO

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azureline** — Fri, 26 Sep 2014 04:56:20 GMT

what did you foretell?

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channys_mum — Fri, 26 Sep 2014 04:59:27 GMT

@kilroy_is_here wrote:
Do I risk saying I told you so ,I'm I up for another attack on my character , aww what the hell I TOLD YOU SO

What did you tell me so kilroy

Re: GERMANY incest between siblings

2106greencat — Fri, 26 Sep 2014 05:07:53 GMT

S**t this board is depressing lately

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kilroy_is_here — Fri, 26 Sep 2014 05:11:09 GMT

In a thread on gay rights I said that we need to be careful on allowing gay rights without doing research in to the legal ramifications and creating a precedence for others and that taking that step that it made it easer to take the next and then the next , I said that consental sex between siblings would be one to come to the for , the next will be the age of consent.
I was jumped on. Called homophobic and over reacting , but what do you know here we are

Re: GERMANY incest between siblings

azureline** — Fri, 26 Sep 2014 05:14:10 GMT

@2106greencat wrote:
this board is depressing lately

Yes, it is, scarey even.

Post a thread with something nice! I am sewing with one hand and posting with the other............................. so I can't.

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the_great_she_elephant — Fri, 26 Sep 2014 05:40:43 GMT

What on earth does homosexuality have to do with incest? How is there any possible connection between them?

If you want to argue on the grounds that one concession leads to another, how far back should you go? You might as well argue (and I bet many did at the time) that the rot set in - in Australia- when Indigenous people were granted the right to marry whomever they wished without permission.

A stupid argument, yes; but it makes as much sense as saying allowing homosexuals to marry is the thin end of some society destroying wedge.

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2106greencat — Fri, 26 Sep 2014 05:42:29 GMT

@azureline** wrote:
@2106greencat wrote:
this board is depressing lately
Yes, it is, scarey even.
Post a thread with something nice! I am sewing with one hand and posting with the other............................. so I can't.

Done

Re: GERMANY incest between siblings

polksaladallie — Fri, 26 Sep 2014 05:44:11 GMT

Does Cory Bernardi post here?

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ashjoma — Fri, 26 Sep 2014 09:00:30 GMT

Is this due to a certain culture having relatives eg cousins, marry and have children ?

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karliandjacko — Fri, 26 Sep 2014 09:10:30 GMT

@kilroy_is_here wrote:
In a thread on gay rights I said that we need to be careful on allowing gay rights without doing research in to the legal ramifications and creating a precedence for others and that taking that step that it made it easer to take the next and then the next , I said that consental sex between siblings would be one to come to the for , the next will be the age of consent.
I was jumped on. Called homophobic and over reacting , but what do you know here we are

This has nothing to do with gay rights, absolutely nothing..

There is no link between this story, gay rights or the age of consent.