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Living with the Enemy on SBS

ufo_investigations — Tue, 30 Sep 2014 14:23:04 GMT

I just watched LIVING WITH THE ENEMY on SBS. The story about Ben the Aussie going to live with Lidia and Ahmed the muslims. Lidia is an Aussie and was raised Catholic and converted to Islam. Ahmed was born in Saudi Arabia.

What did I learn?

- Muslim women wont shake hands with a male person their not related to. (Very rude).

- When husband and wife muslims pray in their own house, the wife has to pray behind her husband. (Women are not treated as equals even in their own house).

- Christians are not allowed to visit Mecca in Saudi Arabia. Why? Because you have to be muslim to be allowed.

- Mosques can be built all over Australia but we can't build a Church in Saudi Arabia.

- The Quran tells muslims to kill people.

- In the mosque women are behind the curtain at the back. It's their own area. Why? Because the men have to be in a different section. Why? To give women privacy. This is the reason they cited. The real reason I believe is not to cause desire in the men.

- When they went shopping they visited a halal butcher to buy lamb shoulder. Ben wasn't consulted. What if he wanted pork chops?

- They went to Bondi to do an "Aussie thing called surfing". Lidia went swimming in her full Islamic clothing then when she came out of the water she placed a towel around her depicting the Australian flag.

Re: Living with the Enemy on SBS

ui_au2014 — Wed, 01 Oct 2014 14:09:00 GMT

i don't think you can buy pork in saudi arabia for money or love.

just like i can't buy horse meat here.

dear ufo,

it will take another 20 years and people women being harassed in their own street by groups of young muslim males to understand. i admit, i would probably be like them if i hadn't experienced it myself.

it will take a hundred "honour" killings (not happened yet but it will, like it is nothing special anymore in countries with a higher muslim population than australia) to wake up the people to reality.

it's useless trying to tell them they will have to experience it themselves. it's sad but that's the way it goes.

Re: Living with the Enemy on SBS

ufo_investigations — Tue, 30 Sep 2014 14:37:00 GMT

In Saudi Arabia the guy at the mosque said the population is 100% muslim and that's the way it has to be, he said! Really?

Re: Living with the Enemy on SBS

ui_au2014 — Tue, 30 Sep 2014 14:40:06 GMT

hhmmm i think you might like this site http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/WWMD.htm

Re: Living with the Enemy on SBS

ufo_investigations — Tue, 30 Sep 2014 14:41:46 GMT

Oh yes I know that site. Yeap that's the one. The Religion of Peace.

Re: Living with the Enemy on SBS

ui_au2014 — Tue, 30 Sep 2014 14:56:34 GMT

i know that most australians will think that i am a nutcase, spreading fear.

it's just that i have experienced it myself and i know of a muslim friend of my sis who is basically treated like a slave. (except that she is treated worse because a real slave has a monetary value while you are free to beat your wife to mush as long as the stick you use is no thicker than 1 inch....a well never mind).

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to everyone else:

call me a racist if you are ignorant enough to not know that islam is not a race.... *giggle*

Re: Living with the Enemy on SBS

ui_au2014 — Tue, 30 Sep 2014 15:04:13 GMT

...forgot to say:

you need a certain percentage of muslims before they become a problem. i think it's about 10% when they start causing problems and demanding sharia law to be introduced.

you are not near that and it also depends where they come from. arabs are the worst. they think everyone else (who is not arab) is an untermensch.

i don't get why that point of view is ok with lots of westerners. don't they know? don't they care?

how come that when white people despise other people for their skin colour (like say nazis) they are called racist, but when muslims kill gays and discriminate blacker people it's ok?

Re: Living with the Enemy on SBS

azureline** — Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:09:41 GMT

@ufo_investigations wrote:
I just watched LIVING WITH THE ENEMY on SBS. The story about Ben the Aussie going to live with Lidia and Ahmed the muslims. Lidia is an Aussie and was raised Catholic and converted to Islam. Ahmed was born in Saudi Arabia.

What did I learn?

- Muslim women wont shake hands with a male person their not related to. (Very rude).
- When husband and wife muslims pray in their own house, the wife has to pray behind her husband. (Women are not treated as equals even in their own house).
- Christians are not allowed to visit Mecca in Saudi Arabia. Why? Because you have to be muslim to be allowed.
- Mosques can be built all over Australia but we can't build a Church in Saudi Arabia.
- The Quran tells muslims to kill people.
- In the mosque women are behind the curtain at the back. It's their own area. Why? Because the men have to be in a different section. Why? To give women privacy. This is the reason they cited. The real reason I believe is not to cause desire in the men.
- When they went shopping they visited a halal butcher to buy lamb shoulder. Ben wasn't consulted. What if he wanted pork chops?
- They went to Bondi to do an "Aussie thing called surfing". Lidia went swimming in her full Islamic clothing then when she came out of the water she placed a towel around her depicting the Australian flag.

I am an Aussie woman and not Muslim. I do not shake hands with anyone, I think it's a man thing.............. JMO. I also don't like touching other people's hands, (you never know what they have been touching)

You can believe whatever you choose, does not make the Muslim's liars when they give their reasons for what they do.

Ben has a voice, he could have asked for pork chops but he didn't because he had better manners.(and probably didn't want them)

Mosques cannot be built just anywhere in Australia, it needs development approval from local council and can be challenged by other rate payers.

Re: Living with the Enemy on SBS

azureline** — Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:12:01 GMT

@ui_au2014 wrote:
i don't think you can buy pork in saudi arabia for money or love.

just like i can't buy horse meat here.

dear ufo,

people on cs are too thick and ignorant to understand. it will take another 20 years and people women being harassed in their own street by groups of young muslim males to understand. i admit, i would probably be like them if i hadn't experienced it myself.

it will take a hundred "honour" killings (not happened yet but it will, like it is nothing special anymore in countries with a higher muslim population than australia) to wake up the people to reality.
it's useless trying to tell them they will have to experience it themselves. it's sad but that's the way it goes.

Dear ui...............

There are many people on CS who are better educated on many things, including social graces, who might take offence to your statement, if they thought it had any merit at all.

Re: Living with the Enemy on SBS

ufo_investigations — Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:32:19 GMT

@azureline** wrote:
@ufo_investigations wrote:
I just watched LIVING WITH THE ENEMY on SBS. The story about Ben the Aussie going to live with Lidia and Ahmed the muslims. Lidia is an Aussie and was raised Catholic and converted to Islam. Ahmed was born in Saudi Arabia.

What did I learn?

- Muslim women wont shake hands with a male person their not related to. (Very rude).
- When husband and wife muslims pray in their own house, the wife has to pray behind her husband. (Women are not treated as equals even in their own house).
- Christians are not allowed to visit Mecca in Saudi Arabia. Why? Because you have to be muslim to be allowed.
- Mosques can be built all over Australia but we can't build a Church in Saudi Arabia.
- The Quran tells muslims to kill people.
- In the mosque women are behind the curtain at the back. It's their own area. Why? Because the men have to be in a different section. Why? To give women privacy. This is the reason they cited. The real reason I believe is not to cause desire in the men.
- When they went shopping they visited a halal butcher to buy lamb shoulder. Ben wasn't consulted. What if he wanted pork chops?
- They went to Bondi to do an "Aussie thing called surfing". Lidia went swimming in her full Islamic clothing then when she came out of the water she placed a towel around her depicting the Australian flag.

I am an Aussie woman and not Muslim. I do not shake hands with anyone, I think it's a man thing.............. JMO. I also don't like touching other people's hands, (you never know what they have been touching)
You can believe whatever you choose, does not make the Muslim's liars when they give their reasons for what they do.
Ben has a voice, he could have asked for pork chops but he didn't because he had better manners.(and probably didn't want them)
Mosques cannot be built just anywhere in Australia, it needs development approval from local council and can be challenged by other rate payers.

This show called LIVING WITH THE ENEMY is an experiment for an Aussie person to go live with Muslims. Ben the Aussie was a guest in their house, they gave him a bedroom and lived there as an experiment to see if integration is possible.

When Lidia and Ahmed went to buy meat for the BBQ so they could feed their guest and show him how Aussie they are the PURCHASE was done at an Islamic Butcher called Halal Butchers where they don't sell Aussie meat called PORK CHOPS. Ben was expected to eat lamb shoulder whether he liked it or not. Ben could have been offended. I know I would be.

In Australia it is AUSTRALIAN to shake someones hand when you meet them, male or female. This builds trust and friendship.

In Australia you can APPLY to a local council to build a mosque and people in the area can appeal. In Saudi Arabia you cannot build a Catholic Church as it was cited by the man at the mosque that in Saudi Arabia the population MUST be 100% muslim and that is how it HAS TO BE THAT WAY!, he said!

I personally cannot see how you could integreate people from the Muslim faith into Australia. I really do not think it is possible. They want to bring the world back to the 7th century under the laws of Allah and the Quran. I can't see how this is going to work.

Re: Living with the Enemy on SBS

azureline** — Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:34:45 GMT

Do you know how long Muslim people have been in Australia?

Re: Living with the Enemy on SBS

ufo_investigations — Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:36:25 GMT

@azureline** wrote:
Do you know how long Muslim people have been in Australia?

No idea.

Re: Living with the Enemy on SBS

azureline** — Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:46:52 GMT

1860, there was probably a mosque built before any church was.

Re: Living with the Enemy on SBS

***super_nova*** — Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:54:07 GMT

@ufo_investigations wrote:

What did I learn?

- Muslim women wont shake hands with a male person their not related to. (Very rude).

Really?! Handshake has never been used much in Australia anyway. You should learn bit more about etiquette :

"The times have passed when it was improper for a man to shake hands with a lady. Our fight for ‘equality’ has seen us now become a willing participant in this bonding ritual. It is now expected within a business environment, for any woman who wants to be taken seriously, and increasingly common in social circles.

Times changed so that a man could extend his hand to a woman within a business environment, but he would need to wait until a woman extended her hand to him if within a social environment."

Re: Living with the Enemy on SBS

ufo_investigations — Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:57:32 GMT

After watching LIVING WITH THE ENEMY it confirmed what I've known all along. Under false pretences they say they are Aussie but really how Aussie can they be if they wont shake your hand, wont eat Aussie meat, wont invite Christians to Saudi Arabia, their allegiance is to Mecca (direction of prayer).

Australia is a tolerant country who allow people from other lands to become Citizens.

We have 2 types of Pledges in Australia:

Pledge 1:

From this time forward, under God,
I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people,
whose democratic beliefs I share,
whose rights and liberties I respect, and
whose laws I will uphold and obey.

Pledge 2:

From this time forward
I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people,
whose democratic beliefs I share,
whose rights and liberties I respect, and
whose laws I will uphold and obey.

I do not believe for 1 minute from what I know and what I've seen that the Muslim faith is in any way compatible with our Pledge of Citizenship. Totally contrary to it. The pledge states that "loyalty" is to Australia and its people NOT Mecca, Saudi Arabia.

Re: Living with the Enemy on SBS

bushies.girl — Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:58:17 GMT

Ummmm dont think so ... The oldest Anglican church in Aust was built in 1793 or there abouts

Re: Living with the Enemy on SBS

debra9275 — Tue, 30 Sep 2014 23:24:55 GMT

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/muslims-are-speaking-out-but-no-one-is-listening-20140930-10nktr.html

an interesting article from this mornings age about the enemy

Re: Living with the Enemy on SBS

azureline** — Tue, 30 Sep 2014 23:49:17 GMT

@bushies.girl wrote:
Ummmm dont think so ... The oldest Anglican church in Aust was built in 1793 or there abouts

in Maree? lol

Re: Living with the Enemy on SBS

green.fields — Wed, 01 Oct 2014 00:06:32 GMT

1st church built 1793. Article from Trove. I love Trove for all the old articles I find there.

1st mosque built in Maree 1861. The first mosque in Australia was built in 1861 at Marree, South Australia.

How does one get out of shaking hands, men always want to shake hands with me when with hubby, I find it would be rude not to do so.

Re: Living with the Enemy on SBS

azureline** — Wed, 01 Oct 2014 00:07:48 GMT

in Maree? lol

sorry, I spelled that wrong.

The first mosque in Australia was built in 1861 at Marree, South Australia.[7] The Great Mosque of Adelaide was built in 1888 by the descendants of the Afghan cameleers.