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Heaven and hell is real

ufo_investigations — Wed, 08 Oct 2014 23:52:47 GMT

Re: Heaven and hell is real

k0llectable5 — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 00:43:14 GMT

I'm still watching this as I type (I'm about 30 mins in)

One guy says he has an encounter with Jesus and he's wearing a white robe with a blue sash, and Roth laughs and says oh yes he's wearing Isreali colours... And then one of the other interviewees has to make a point of saying that Jesus is a Jew. Sorry but that just doesn't make any sense to me.

Their stories are quite touching, but all the re enactments and emotional music gives the presentration less credibility imo.

Re: Heaven and hell is real

cherry*135 — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 00:55:03 GMT

Catholics and Halal meat

By Fr John Flader

30 January, 2011

FIRSTLY we should clarify what we mean by halal meat.

The word “halal” in Arabic means simply “lawful” and thus halal foods are those which are considered lawful for Muslims to eat. “Halal” is distinguished from “haraam” foods, which are forbidden.

Among the latter are pork, blood, animals that have been strangled or beaten to death, alcohol, meat that has not been prepared in the proper way, etc.

For meat to be halal the animal must be killed in a particular way. It must have its throat slit, and the person killing it must face Mecca and invoke the name of Allah,
or God.

When an abattoir can demonstrate that it follows this procedure, it may receive a certificate from the Muslim authorities as a halal certified site. Wherever possible,
Muslims eat only halal foods.

Where does this leave Catholics? Can we eat such foods? The first thing we should ask is whether Scripture has anything to say about the matter. In fact it does. In the Acts of the Apostles we read about the so-called Council of Jerusalem, in which the apostles and elders gathered to decide what to impose on the Gentiles who had converted to Christianity in Antioch.

Among other things they told these converts that they were to “abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled” (Acts 15:29).

Jews, like Muslims, regarded blood as the very life of the animal and as such it belonged to God alone. Hence they did not eat meat that had been strangled, since it would have the blood in it.

But why did the early Christians follow these Jewish practices? It must be remembered that these were the early days of Christianity and the first generation of Christians was still alive.

Most of them were converts from Judaism, and it is natural that they would have felt a strong repugnance at the thought of eating meat with the blood in it, since this was prohibited by Jewish law (cf. Lev 17:10ff). It is probable that for some time they also abstained from pork, which Jews did not eat.

As regards food that had been offered to idols, St Paul writes that since “an idol has no real existence” and “there is no God but one”, there is nothing wrong with eating such food (1 Cor 8:4).

Nonetheless, since some Christians may be weak in conscience and think it is sinful to eat such food, others when in their company should abstain from eating lest they cause their brothers to eat as well and go against their conscience. He writes: “Therefore, if food is a cause of my brother’s falling, I will never eat meat, lest I cause my brother to fall” (cf. 1 Cor 8:13).

It is probably for this reason that the Council of Jerusalem forbade the Gentile converts to each such food. St Paul sums up: “Food will not commend us to God. We are no worse off if we do not eat, and no better off if we do” (1 Cor 8:8).

Two chapters later St Paul confronts today’s issue of halal food more directly, based on his earlier pronouncement that such food may be eaten without any qualms of conscience.

As regards whether Christians should be careful not to buy certain foods at the market he writes: “Eat whatever is sold in the meat market without raising any question on the ground of conscience” (1 Cor 10:25).

And with respect to what to do when invited to the home of an unbeliever, he advises: “If one of the unbelievers invites you to dinner and you are disposed to go, eat whatever is set before you without raising any question on the ground of conscience” (1 Cor 10:27). That would apply today to accepting an invitation to eat with a Muslim.

In summary, it is clear that there is nothing in the Scriptures against Christians eating halal meat. The question of meat “sacrificed to idols” does not apply, even though not even that would present a problem, since halal meat is offered to Allah, the one God worshipped by Muslims, Jews and Christians.

http://www.catholicweekly.com.au/article.php?classID=3&subclassID=59&articleID=7828&subclass=Question%20Time

Re: Heaven and hell is real

ufo_investigations — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 00:56:56 GMT

@secondhand-wonderland wrote:
I'm still watching this as I type (I'm about 30 mins in)

One guy says he has an encounter with Jesus and he's wearing a white robe with a blue sash, and Roth laughs and says oh yes he's wearing Isreali colours... And then one of the other interviewees has to make a point of saying that Jesus is a Jew. Sorry but that just doesn't make any sense to me.

Their stories are quite touching, but all the re enactments and emotional music gives the presentration less credibility imo.

It makes a lot sense, Jesus is Jewish. The Jews are the chosen people.

Re: Heaven and hell is real

k0llectable5 — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 01:05:38 GMT

@ufo_investigations wrote:
@secondhand-wonderland wrote:
I'm still watching this as I type (I'm about 30 mins in)

One guy says he has an encounter with Jesus and he's wearing a white robe with a blue sash, and Roth laughs and says oh yes he's wearing Isreali colours... And then one of the other interviewees has to make a point of saying that Jesus is a Jew. Sorry but that just doesn't make any sense to me.

Their stories are quite touching, but all the re enactments and emotional music gives the presentration less credibility imo.
It makes a lot sense, Jesus is Jewish. The Jews are the chosen people.

If Jesus is Jewish, why then do Jewish people not accept him as their lord and saviour?

Re: Heaven and hell is real

ufo_investigations — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 01:09:00 GMT

@secondhand-wonderland wrote:
@ufo_investigations wrote:
@secondhand-wonderland wrote:
I'm still watching this as I type (I'm about 30 mins in)

One guy says he has an encounter with Jesus and he's wearing a white robe with a blue sash, and Roth laughs and says oh yes he's wearing Isreali colours... And then one of the other interviewees has to make a point of saying that Jesus is a Jew. Sorry but that just doesn't make any sense to me.

Their stories are quite touching, but all the re enactments and emotional music gives the presentration less credibility imo.
It makes a lot sense, Jesus is Jewish. The Jews are the chosen people.
If Jesus is Jewish, why then do Jewish people not accept him as their lord and saviour?

Read this I got it from a Priest:

The Catholic Church recognises that the Jewish people as the chosen people and the covenant of God made with them is still valid. In effect Catholics and Jews ultimately worship the same God. Catholics however believe that they have a much greater understanding of who the God is and God is like because God has most fully revealed Godself to humanity in the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The God Jesus prayed to and worshipped is the God the Jewish people worship. Catholics worship the God of the Jewish people through Jesus Christ and have a much greater understanding of who God is by following Jesus.

The Jewish people worship God as a God who has revealed himself through the Scriptures, the patriarchs, the prophets and through a tradition of the interpretation of the scriptures we call the Old or First Testament. Catholics understand the God of the Jewish people as the God the Father. Jesus is fully God and fully human and Catholics understand Jesus as God the Son. Jesus promised that would send an advocate or helper to assist the Christian community until he returns in Glory at the end of time. Catholics understand the advocate to be God the Holy Spirit. It must be remembered that there are not three Gods. God for Catholics is One God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Re: Heaven and hell is real

k0llectable5 — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 01:12:56 GMT

@ufo_investigations wrote:
@secondhand-wonderland wrote:
@ufo_investigations wrote:
@secondhand-wonderland wrote:
I'm still watching this as I type (I'm about 30 mins in)

One guy says he has an encounter with Jesus and he's wearing a white robe with a blue sash, and Roth laughs and says oh yes he's wearing Isreali colours... And then one of the other interviewees has to make a point of saying that Jesus is a Jew. Sorry but that just doesn't make any sense to me.

Their stories are quite touching, but all the re enactments and emotional music gives the presentration less credibility imo.
It makes a lot sense, Jesus is Jewish. The Jews are the chosen people.
If Jesus is Jewish, why then do Jewish people not accept him as their lord and saviour?
Read this I got it from a Priest:

The Catholic Church recognises that the Jewish people as the chosen people and the covenant of God made with them is still valid. In effect Catholics and Jews ultimately worship the same God. Catholics however believe that they have a much greater understanding of who the God is and God is like because God has most fully revealed Godself to humanity in the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The God Jesus prayed to and worshipped is the God the Jewish people worship. Catholics worship the God of the Jewish people through Jesus Christ and have a much greater understanding of who God is by following Jesus.

The Jewish people worship God as a God who has revealed himself through the Scriptures, the patriarchs, the prophets and through a tradition of the interpretation of the scriptures we call the Old or First Testament. Catholics understand the God of the Jewish people as the God the Father. Jesus is fully God and fully human and Catholics understand Jesus as God the Son. Jesus promised that would send an advocate or helper to assist the Christian community until he returns in Glory at the end of time. Catholics understand the advocate to be God the Holy Spirit. It must be remembered that there are not three Gods. God for Catholics is One God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

I read that earlier in the old vs new testament thread. Still doesnt answer my question.

Re: Heaven and hell is real

ufo_investigations — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 01:14:24 GMT

You would have to read the Torah

Re: Heaven and hell is real

k0llectable5 — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 01:23:08 GMT

I have. And I dont see anything in the 5 books about Jesus being a jew.

Re: Heaven and hell is real

ufo_investigations — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 01:29:19 GMT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_appearance_of_Jesus

Re: Heaven and hell is real

imastawka — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 03:59:30 GMT

Cos Wikipedia is reliable -

Wikipedia is written collaboratively by largely anonymous Internet volunteers who write without pay. Anyone with Internet access can write and make changes to Wikipedia articles, except in limited cases where editing is restricted to prevent disruption or vandalism. Users can contribute anonymously, under a pseudonym, or, if they choose to, with their real identity.

Re: Heaven and hell is real

Anonymous — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 04:14:16 GMT

@imastawka wrote:
Cos Wikipedia is reliable -

Wikipedia is written collaboratively by largely anonymous Internet volunteers who write without pay. Anyone with Internet access can write and make changes to Wikipedia articles, except in limited cases where editing is restricted to prevent disruption or vandalism. Users can contribute anonymously, under a pseudonym, or, if they choose to, with their real identity.

dont they have to cite sources?

Re: Heaven and hell is real

imastawka — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 04:46:01 GMT

Sure. But who checks them. If you click on ufo's link up there,

there are 78 'references' not sources. Have a read of some of them.

This was #78

James Caviezel was given a prosthetic nose and a raised hairline. His blue eyes were digitally changed to brown on film.

also

Preston, John (8 April 2001). "The Dumbed Down Shall Be Raised Up". The Sunday Telegraph (London: Telegraph Media). ISSN 9976-1874. OCLC 436617201.

There seems to be a lot of opinions referred to, and not studies quoted

It's been shown before, mostly on politicians, that wikipedia can be changed

to suit anybody. It's possible to log in and change anything apparently.

I try not to quote wiki if I can help it.

Re: Heaven and hell is real

the_great_she_elephant — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 04:58:12 GMT

@secondhand-wonderland wrote:
I have. And I dont see anything in the 5 books about Jesus being a jew.

The Jews do not believe that Jesus was the Messiah, but they believe he existed and I imagine it would be taken as a given that he was Jewish. HIs 'father' Joseph lived in Nazareth and was of the house of David; and Jesus was born in Bethlehem, (David's city.) .

Re: Heaven and hell is real

Anonymous — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 05:05:40 GMT

so there is nothing on that wiki page

you are actually disputing?

anyhoo - this is one of the sources:

here

Shawn Kelley's groundbreaking study shows how the major intellectual movements of the modern world, such as Orientalism and romantic nationalism, become infused with the category of race. He then traces the processes through which racially-grounded thinking has influenced modern biblical scholarship.

Re: Heaven and hell is real

lionrose.7 — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 08:18:10 GMT

I am so glad I am a pagan and dont have to worry about heaven or hell

Re: Heaven and hell is real

rabbitearbandicoot — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 10:19:48 GMT

ufo wrote

"It makes a lot sense, Jesus is Jewish. The Jews are the chosen people"

I'll say again, the Jew WERE the chosen people.

Do you want to discuss this or are you just going to ignore what I say AGAIN?

Re: Heaven and hell is real

ufo_investigations — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 10:29:59 GMT

@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:
ufo wrote

"It makes a lot sense, Jesus is Jewish. The Jews are the chosen people"

I'll say again, the Jew WERE the chosen people.

Do you want to discuss this or are you just going to ignore what I say AGAIN?

The Jews are the chosen people. What is there to discuss?

Re: Heaven and hell is real

imastawka — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 10:32:32 GMT

Ya know.....the really good thing about

bashing your head against a wall, is...

It feels so much better when you stop!

Re: Heaven and hell is real

rabbitearbandicoot — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 10:36:20 GMT

@ufo_investigations wrote:
@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:
ufo wrote

"It makes a lot sense, Jesus is Jewish. The Jews are the chosen people"

I'll say again, the Jew WERE the chosen people.

Do you want to discuss this or are you just going to ignore what I say AGAIN?
The Jews are the chosen people. What is there to discuss?

The Jews are no longer the chosen people - you show me where they are and I'll show you where they are not.

and, by the way, did you respond to my other question of you about bowing / kneeling before graven images?