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Old Testament vs New Testament

i-need-a-martini — Wed, 08 Oct 2014 20:05:08 GMT

I have been told numerous times on here that Christians believe in the New Testament and the Old Testament is not irrelevent.

In particular I was told that the Old Testament is Pre-Christian and describes a DIFFERENT God with different attitudes. And that the New Testament is a stand-alone book so I assume.

Can someone please explain why?

(preferably someone who is religious and has actually read the books)

Re: Old Testament vs New Testament

ufo_investigations — Wed, 08 Oct 2014 21:08:36 GMT

The following is from a Priest:

The Catholic Church recognises that the Jewish people as the chosen people and the covenant of God made with them is still valid. In effect Catholics and Jews ultimately worship the same God. Catholics however believe that they have a much greater understanding of who the God is and God is like because God has most fully revealed Godself to humanity in the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The God Jesus prayed to and worshipped is the God the Jewish people worship. Catholics worship the God of the Jewish people through Jesus Christ and have a much greater understanding of who God is by following Jesus.

The Jewish people worship God as a God who has revealed himself through the Scriptures, the patriarchs, the prophets and through a tradition of the interpretation of the scriptures we call the Old or First Testament. Catholics understand the God of the Jewish people as the God the Father. Jesus is fully God and fully human and Catholics understand Jesus as God the Son. Jesus promised that would send an advocate or helper to assist the Christian community until he returns in Glory at the end of time. Catholics understand the advocate to be God the Holy Spirit. It must be remembered that there are not three Gods. God for Catholics is One God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Re: Old Testament vs New Testament

rabbitearbandicoot — Wed, 08 Oct 2014 23:24:08 GMT

@i-need-a-martini wrote:
I have been told numerous times on here that Christians believe in the New Testament and the Old Testament is not irrelevent.

In particular I was told that the Old Testament is Pre-Christian and describes a DIFFERENT God with different attitudes. And that the New Testament is a stand-alone book so I assume.

Can someone please explain why?
(preferably someone who is religious and has actually read the books)

I assume you meant 'not relevant' ?? This Christian believes that both the New and the Old are the word of God as past down to man, and so are both relevant. Of course, I cannot speak for other 'Christians'.

If the Old Testament were irrelevant, why did Jesus quote from it so many times.

The Old Testament fortold of the coming of The Messiah. The New Testament tells of the fulfilment of those prophecies - and a lot more but does that answer your question?

Re: Old Testament vs New Testament

rabbitearbandicoot — Wed, 08 Oct 2014 23:27:23 GMT

and, as far as the Catholic view that the Jews as a people are still the chosen people of God - bunkum. That was taken away from them after they denied Jesus - as were their rights to the land that was reinstated to them in 1946.

Re: Old Testament vs New Testament

dwilke33 — Wed, 08 Oct 2014 23:28:50 GMT

After Jesus died for our sins many things in the Old Testiment passed away. For example, some things that were forbidden to eat where no longer forbidden, etc. Too many things changed or were passed away with our saviors death and resurrection to list.

Re: Old Testament vs New Testament

Anonymous — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 01:19:44 GMT

ok - i do not actually meet your criteria LOL

but i posted this link in the other thread

http://biblehub.com/hebrews/8-13.htm

it should answer your question.

(research new covenant)

Re: Old Testament vs New Testament

muppet_detector — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 01:22:20 GMT

@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

The Old Testament fortold of the coming of The Messiah. The New Testament tells of the fulfilment of those prophecies - and a lot more but does that answer your question?

Genuine Question.

As more and more of those prophecies happen, do they update the New Testament?

If a person went to the local bookstore today and bought a New Testament, is it updated since it was originally scribed in 400AD(ish)?

Or have no more prophecies been realized since the original publication and what we have today (with the exclusion of translation) is what was written about 16 Centuries ago?

Re: Old Testament vs New Testament

bushies.girl — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 09:55:53 GMT

This question provoked an interesting conversation at home this morning ..... Hope you ge the answers you are looking for Martini

Re: Old Testament vs New Testament

rabbitearbandicoot — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 10:06:07 GMT

@muppet_detector wrote:
@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

The Old Testament fortold of the coming of The Messiah. The New Testament tells of the fulfilment of those prophecies - and a lot more but does that answer your question?
Genuine Question.

As more and more of those prophecies happen, do they update the New Testament?

If a person went to the local bookstore today and bought a New Testament, is it updated since it was originally scribed in 400AD(ish)?

Or have no more prophecies been realized since the original publication and what we have today (with the exclusion of translation) is what was written about 16 Centuries ago?

No, nothing updates the New Testament - nothing may be added on pain of death. Of course, the Catholic Bible has additional books, but thankfully they have been removed by some of the first Protestants

More prophecies have been realized and still more are to come. Read Daniel and Revelations thoroughly - then we can discuss it further.

Re: Old Testament vs New Testament

i-need-a-martini — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 19:56:10 GMT

Thanks rabbit for correcting my error.

And thanks for ansering my question. To call the Old Testament irrelevent to ridiculous - to me it seems that it chronicles the fundamentals that Christians believe in.

If the New Testament is a stand alone book then does that mean that the creation of the world did not occur? Or that Noahs flood did not occur? There was no garden of Eden?

Re: Old Testament vs New Testament

muppet_detector — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 22:21:50 GMT

Re: Old Testament vs New Testament

katydidthat — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 22:31:22 GMT

My theory is that as society changed ... and became safer, more advanced, and friendlier ... the concept of God changed to become more loving, more believable, and more relevant. So, we have a big difference between the two Testaments.

A lot of Christians claim to hold that only the NT "counts". I think that there was a change, a shift in focus, that the OT is relevant historically and scholastically rather than in terms of our current day beliefs.

Re: Old Testament vs New Testament

Anonymous — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 23:20:41 GMT

are there any ppl here who have studied

the bible - preferably someone without faith

commitment - who can explain to me what

the new covenant is.

in really, really simple, practical terms.

imagine you are explaining this to an alien

Re: Old Testament vs New Testament

muppet_detector — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 23:22:14 GMT

Katy, don't the Ten Commandments come from the Old Testament?

How are they not relevant to in modern society?

They seem to be the foundation of what modern society sees as what is morally right, and I think some of them may even be embedded in the law.

and to me at least, I think of the whole "making Adam and Eve" thing is like modern day parents loving each other so much that they want to make babies "in their image".

The Old Testament was a bit lacking in description of love between Adam and Eve, but it does speak of how much God has for His creations and He gave them a perfect environment and set about how to teach "His children" their own values and gave them choice etc

Re: Old Testament vs New Testament

katydidthat — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 23:42:47 GMT

Muppet, I'm in the position of having been a Catholic and an atheist. When I was an atheist, it seemed very logical to me to act just as well, to be just as kind, as anyone who followed the Ten Commandments. Some of them are just plain common sense (like "thou shalt not kill"), which as you say is embedded in the law.

ACK, more in a minute.

Re: Old Testament vs New Testament

rabbitearbandicoot — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 23:47:56 GMT

@*julia*2010 wrote:
are there any ppl here who have studied
the bible - preferably someone without faith
commitment - who can explain to me what
the new covenant is.

in really, really simple, practical terms.
imagine you are explaining this to an alien

I would explain but it seems my posts don't last very long .... do you think the mods are Catholics?

Re: Old Testament vs New Testament

katydidthat — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 23:55:18 GMT

Others, like keeping the Sabbath day holy have long been forgotten by most people ... as for not taking in vain the name of the Lord, we have TGI Fridays, and OMG is said a million times a day on chat boards.

The Commandment to honour your parents ... well, you can say that that is valid today ... but we also imprison parents for child abuse and neglect.

Stealing and bearing false witness are also pretty much covered by law ... as for coveting either goods or "wives" ... in some ways, these days, we encouraged to covet everything, lol.

Re: Old Testament vs New Testament

bushies.girl — Fri, 10 Oct 2014 00:13:54 GMT

If someone had posted something like this relating to Muslims, oh the out cry ..... Yet not one word has been said 😞

Re: Old Testament vs New Testament

Anonymous — Fri, 10 Oct 2014 01:05:06 GMT

hmm i have no idea rabbitearbandicoot

so you think you could explain it?

but really simply lol

Re: Old Testament vs New Testament

muppet_detector — Fri, 10 Oct 2014 01:52:59 GMT

@katydidthat wrote:
Muppet, I'm in the position of having been a Catholic and an atheist. When I was an atheist, it seemed very logical to me to act just as well, to be just as kind, as anyone who followed the Ten Commandments. Some of them are just plain common sense (like "thou shalt not kill"), which as you say is embedded in the law.

ACK, more in a minute.

Do you think that what we consider to be common sense is because it is how we have been conditioned to think?

In some environments, it is ok to kill, steal or to commit adultery.