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Excusing the slaughter Its all our Fault

nero_bolt — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 00:03:07 GMT

Hizb ut-Tahrir refuses to criticise Muslim terrorists who slaughter other Muslims, massacre infidels, traffic in women and behead journalists and aid workers:

Emma Alberici confronts this head case.

The interview is quite revealing. Apparently its all our fault again. In typical fashion its all about our countrys desire to assist the barbarians out of ...the stone age.

Its ok for IS to butcher their own kind but its not ok for us to stand in the middle of the religious factions to seek peace between the warring tribes.

The quicker these fruit loops are chucked out of Australia the better.

Poor Emma Alberici couldnt get a word in with this hate filled person... and he was born here and lives in our society yet hates us and everything we stand for

Take 10 minutes and watch this interview from Lateline last night... its an eye opener...

Australian Broadcasting Corporation

Broadcast: 08/10/2014

Reporter: Emma Alberici

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4103227.htm

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ufo_investigations — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 00:30:04 GMT

I just watched this garbage. "Fixed moral compass" he says. yeah sure. What morals? beheadings and killings?

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k0llectable5 — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 01:00:53 GMT

That was an interesting interview, thanks Nero for posting.

She reminds me of Shaun Hannity tbh. Trying to make him answer yes or no then repeatedly asking the same question over and over again, then painting him as someone who condones the actions of IS fighters in Iraq. And because his answer doesn't fit the agenda of the program she just bullies him into defending himself. And at the same time has no opinion herself.

Yes definately an eye opener...

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goldenjet16 — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 01:03:59 GMT

Ohhhhh brother!!!

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Anonymous — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 01:44:08 GMT

@secondhand-wonderland wrote:
That was an interesting interview, thanks Nero for posting.

She reminds me of Shaun Hannity tbh. Trying to make him answer yes or no then repeatedly asking the same question over and over again, then painting him as someone who condones the actions of IS fighters in Iraq. And because his answer doesn't fit the agenda of the program she just bullies him into defending himself. And at the same time has no opinion herself.

Yes definately an eye opener...

painting him? LOL no need for that

considering what he represents.

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k0llectable5 — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 02:22:41 GMT

What is it exactly that he represents?

Why doesn't anyone ever ask the questions; If Saddam Hussein was still alive and leading Iraq would IS have the power that they have today? Also If America hadn't invaded Iraq back in 2003 would IS be as dominant as they are today? (Taking into account that the whole Iraq invasion was based on lies...)

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nero_bolt — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 02:27:19 GMT

ABC host unleashes on extremist refusing to denounce the actions of terror group Islamic State

ABC host Emma Alberici has been applauded over her explosive exchange with the Australian representative of a radical Islamic group who refused to answer questions or condemn the actions of terror groups in the Middle East.

In an 11-minute interview on Lateline, Alberici grilled Hizb ut-Tahrir spokesman Wassim Doureihi, refusing to allow him to avoid answering tough questions in an interview that has been praised by Prime Minister Tony Abbott.

More than a dozen times, Alberici asked Doureihi for an unequivocal answer as to whether his group supported the murderous campaign being waged by Islamic State fighters in Iraq, which the prominent Hizb ut-Tahrir member refused to respond to.

"Can do me a favour? But will you do me a favour and … answer one question?" she says.

The increasingly fuming Alberici accused Doureihi of failing to denounce the actions of terrorists, including "beheadings ... and the slaughter of innocence".

"You are clearly obfuscating and I did not invite you onto this program to do that," Alberici says.

"What will the Australian public make of the fact that you will not sit here and tell your fellow Muslim men not to join Islamic State fighters in Syria?"

Doureihi remained unapologetic, accusing Alberici of wanting a "one-way discussion" while continually attacking Western governments for responsibility of the conflicts in the Middle East.

He went on to say: "As Muslims we have a fixed moral compass, that says it's unequivocally it's an aberration to kill innocent civilians," although he refused to directly answer Alberici's questions on denouncing IS.

"We're out of time, surprise. We don't have an infinite amount of time to talk to you but thanks for coming in nonetheless," Alberici says as she ends the interview.

Mr Abbott, speaking on radio this morning, said he was impressed by the Lateline interview.

"She's a feisty interviewer ... good on her for having a go and I think she spoke for our country last night," Mr Abbott told 3AW.

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Anonymous — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 02:49:09 GMT

@secondhand-wonderland wrote:
What is it exactly that he represents?

Why doesn't anyone ever ask the questions; If Saddam Hussein was still alive and leading Iraq would IS have the power that they have today? Also If America hadn't invaded Iraq back in 2003 would IS be as dominant as they are today? (Taking into account that the whole Iraq invasion was based on lies...)

Hizb ut-Tahrir (Arabic: حزب التحرير‎ Ḥizb at-Taḥrīr; Party of Liberation) is an international pan-Islamic political organisation. They are commonly associated with the goal of all Muslim countries unifying as an Islamic state or caliphate ruled by Islamic law (sharia) and with a caliph head of state elected by Muslims.[1][2]

The organization was founded in 1953 as a Sunni Muslim organization in Jerusalem by Taqiuddin al-Nabhani, an Islamic scholar and appeals court judge (Qadi)[3] from the Palestinian village of Ijzim. Since then Hizb ut-Tahrir has spread to more than 40 countries and by one estimate has about one million members.[4] Hizb ut-Tahrir is very active in the West, particularly in the United Kingdom, and is also active in several Arab and Central Asian countries, despite being banned by some governments. The group also has a growing presence in North America, known as Hizb ut-tahrir America, or HTA.

Hizb ut-Tahrir believes the re-establishment of caliphate would provide stability and security to both Muslims and non-Muslims in the predominantly Muslim regions of the world.[5] The party promotes a detailed program for institution of a caliphate that would establish Shariah and carry "the Da'wah of Islam" to the world.[6][7][8] Hizb ut-Tahrir is also strongly anti-Zionist and calls for the State of Israel, which it calls an "illegal entity", to be dismantled.[9]

Hizb ut-Tahrir states its aim as unification of all Muslim nations over time in a unitary Islamic state or caliphate, headed by an elected caliph.[1] This, it holds, is a religious duty, "an obligation that Allah has decreed for the Muslims and commanded them to fulfill. He warned of the punishment awaiting those who neglect this duty."[10] One analyst, however,[11] quotes the work of Hizb ut-Tahrir founder Taqiuddin al-Nabhani[12] to suggest that once Hizb ut-Tahrir has succeeded in creating a unified, transnational Islamic state it should press on to expand the state into non-Muslim areas. According to al-Nabhani's work The Islamic State, Muslims abroad "should work towards turning their land where Islam is not implemented, and which [is thus] considered as Dar al-Kufr, into Dar al-Islam".[13] Hizb ut-Tahrir is opposed to individual liberty and freedom; rather, it promotes the overthrow—both democratically and militarily—of democracies and dictatorships alike, arguing they are un-Islamic.[14]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hizb_ut-Tahrir

http://www.hizb-australia.org/

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k0llectable5 — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 03:05:36 GMT

I did watch the whole interview Nero. And I think she was very unprofessional in they way she conducted herself. I disagree with TA's sentiments, she definately did not speak for me. I was interested to hear his point of view and she just kept shutting him down (like most mainstream hosts do to their interviewees that are saying things that dont flow with the agenda of the program)

The problem with the west is we think that democracy and secularism is the saviour of the world. Then when we violently invade countries to spread our ideology, which often leads to violent retaliation from those that oppose it, we then paint ourselves as the victims. It's nuts IMO.

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Anonymous — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 03:06:52 GMT

EMMA ALBERICI: People like community leaders here in Australia like Dr Jamal Rifi, who has publicly condemned the actions of Islamic State. Why won't you do the same?

transcript:

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4103227.htm

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boris1gary — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 05:03:47 GMT

Yes like a question I heard asked today of someone who has been spreading anti Islam propaganda all over social media -

Australians don't support religious intolerance, yet you are actively engaging in it - why don't you stop and why don't you publicly condemn those who are involved in it?

person couldn't/wouldn't answer - just started mumbling.

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***super_nova*** — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 05:14:08 GMT

I watched and it was the worst kind of journalism I have seen. Emma was aggressively leaning forward and shouted from the word go. She did not let him speak, constantly yelling over him. She demanded he answers yes or no to complicated and very loaded questions. It was absolute disgrace. Why not let him speak? Just let him say what he wants, so we can hear it from him and decide if we really do not like him; why not just give him enough rope?

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boris1gary — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 06:22:04 GMT

alan jones pulling abbotts strings and abbott speaks without knowing what he is talking about - what a surprise - abbott reminds me of that saying - all fur coat and no knickers.

Is Prime Minister's anger at 'hate preachers' justified?

Hizb ut Tahrir has condemned the terrorist group Islamic State and is overtly non-violent - so why is Tony Abbott "angry and frustrated" he hasn't been able to ban the group, and hopeful new laws will allow him to do so?

But wild conspiracies do not amount to promoting terrorism and Hizb ut Tahrir has loudly denounced the caliphate claimed by Islamic State as an aberration and condemned its killings of innocents and non-believers.

Underpinning its philosophy is the belief that "offensive jihad" - launching pre-emptive attacks to achieve the aims of the caliphate - is forbidden, as is violence that targets innocents, no matter what their faith.

"Defensive jihad" - or Muslims defending themselves against direct oppression - is, however, considered legitimate.

The group supports the rights of Muslims to resist the Western interventions in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria, including with violence against those they believe have taken up arms against them.

This principle extends to Syria, and has led to the group giving tacit support to Australians travelling there to join the resistance against the regime, with the recent exception of taking up arms with the Islamic State group.

For the past decade, security agencies in the West have repeatedly considered whether the group should be banned. Invariably, they have declined.

The main concern has been that the group is a "conveyer belt" for jihadists, a weigh station where they are inculcated with radical ideology before they leave for a group with more violent tendencies.

Nawab Osman, an academic at Nanyang Technological University in Singapore who did his doctorate in Australia on the group, says the "conveyer belt" theory doesn't stack up. Hizb, overall, acted as a bulwark against Islamic radicals taking the next step and turning to terrorism, he said.

A ban, he added, would be counter-productive.

"All you will do is create martyrs out of Hizb ut Tahrir. It will grow and it will grow underground. That makes it much more difficult for security agencies to monitor."

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Anonymous — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 06:24:06 GMT

@***super_nova*** wrote:
I watched and it was the worst kind of journalism I have seen. Emma was aggressively leaning forward and shouted from the word go. She did not let him speak, constantly yelling over him. She demanded he answers yes or no to complicated and very loaded questions. It was absolute disgrace. Why not let him speak? Just let him say what he wants, so we can hear it from him and decide if we really do not like him; why not just give him enough rope?

nah, its not the journalists - he has a message

to spread and in the interviews i have seen

he is quite clever in how he menages to dictate

the way the interviews go. this was just another

opportunity. maybe emma knew what to expect

and was hoping to actually get an answer ????

cant remember who the journo was last time

he was on lateline.

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Anonymous — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 06:28:02 GMT

@boris1gary wrote:
Yes like a question I heard asked today of someone who has been spreading anti Islam propaganda all over social media -

Australians don't support religious intolerance, yet you are actively engaging in it - why don't you stop and why don't you publicly condemn those who are involved in it?

person couldn't/wouldn't answer - just started mumbling.

lol no, nothing like that.

wassim doureihi was loud and clear.

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punch*drunk — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 06:32:21 GMT

@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

Why doesn't anyone ever ask the questions; If Saddam Hussein was still alive and leading Iraq would IS have the power that they have today? Also If America hadn't invaded Iraq back in 2003 would IS be as dominant as they are today? (Taking into account that the whole Iraq invasion was based on lies...)

What would be the point of hypothetical questions when there are current ongoing concerns that she was interviewing him about.

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azureline** — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 06:42:21 GMT

So, why not ask some real questions? eg: what can the Muslim community and the rest of Australia do to stop ISIS and it's (apparent) hold on impressionable teens?

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punch*drunk — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 06:46:17 GMT

I guess she felt that public condemnation of IS by muslims is one of the ways to stop ISIS and its hold on impressionable teens.

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karliandjacko — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 06:50:33 GMT

@azureline** wrote:
So, why not ask some real questions? eg: what can the Muslim community and the rest of Australia do to stop ISIS and it's (apparent) hold on impressionable teens?

It was certainly a train wreck of an interview.

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azureline** — Thu, 09 Oct 2014 06:50:48 GMT

He said he was insulted by that question............. I can see merit in that.