topic Re: Patriotism in Community Spirit

Patriotism

poddster — Thu, 16 Oct 2014 01:30:58 GMT

Is unconditional patriotism a desirable attribute or not?

Re: Patriotism

channys_mum — Thu, 16 Oct 2014 01:37:47 GMT

Unconditional, probably not, it would bring about a loss of realism I think.

Re: Patriotism

poddster — Thu, 16 Oct 2014 01:44:53 GMT

What constraints should be applied to patriotism? And while we are at is what constraints should be applied to loyalty

Re: Patriotism

channys_mum — Thu, 16 Oct 2014 01:51:56 GMT

No I don't mean to apply constraints.

I just think one eyed-ness is a bit unhealthy.

Maybe I am not on the same train as you, and have misinterpreted

Re: Patriotism

poddster — Thu, 16 Oct 2014 01:55:16 GMT

What I would like to know is at what point would a person revoke their patriotism or loyaly.

Re: Patriotism

thegoblinswillgetu — Thu, 16 Oct 2014 01:55:40 GMT

Not if it interferes with good judgement, common sense, and right or wrong.

Unconditional love from a pet is a good thing.

Re: Patriotism

freddie*rooster — Thu, 16 Oct 2014 01:59:38 GMT

Patriotism is, generally speaking, cultural attachment to one's homeland or devotion to one's country, although interpretations of the term vary with context, geography and political ideology. It is a set of concepts closely related to those of nationalism.

Re: Patriotism

poddster — Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:08:19 GMT

Pets are smart, they know where the food and shelter comes from 🙂

Re: Patriotism

poddster — Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:11:39 GMT

Some countries demand unconditional patriotism, and others have brainwashed the population into not questioning decisions otherwise it would be deemed unpatriotic

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the_great_she_elephant — Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:40:38 GMT

I guess you could probably brainwash people into unconditional patriotism, but while you might demand it of them you certainly could not enforce that demand because patriotism is an emotion not a set of rules.

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poddster — Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:44:05 GMT

There are some places that demand unconditional patriotism and if it is not forthcoming you forfeit your life.

Re: Patriotism

the_great_she_elephant — Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:52:43 GMT

Not exactly - you can easily go through the motions without feeling the least bit patriotic. It's not the same thing as obedience.

Re: Patriotism

muppet_detector — Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:56:49 GMT

@poddster wrote:
What constraints should be applied to patriotism? And while we are at is what constraints should be applied to loyalty

you would need to define what you mean by both words and in what context.

Some people are only loyal (to other people or entities) or patriotic when it suits their personal agenda.

Re: Patriotism

poddster — Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:58:06 GMT

Try that in the military while under fire.

Re: Patriotism

the_great_she_elephant — Thu, 16 Oct 2014 03:13:34 GMT

@poddster wrote:
Try that in the military while under fire.

Try what - patriotism or obedience? I think staying alive would pretty much marginalise any other consideration in that situation.

Re: Patriotism

muppet_detector — Thu, 16 Oct 2014 03:20:29 GMT

@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
@poddster wrote:
Try that in the military while under fire.

Try what - patriotism or obedience? I think staying alive would pretty much marginalise any other consideration in that situation.

But then we hear of people being awarded or commended for their lack of consideration for their own personal lives. We hear of people in society and the military putting the lives of others before their own.

They enter minefields under fire to retrieve people incapable of seeking safety for themselves. They enter volatile situations to retrieve the bodies of the fallen. They enter burning buildings to save other people. They accost burglers and others (for example) even when it puts their lives at risk.

Re: Patriotism

the_great_she_elephant — Thu, 16 Oct 2014 05:23:39 GMT

It is true, ordinary people can be capable of extraordinary courage and self sacrifice, but Poddy's post, to which I was replying, specifically mentioned "in the military under fire." In that situation i doubt very much whether the thought uppermost in anyone's mind would be "Gosh My country is so great and I'm so proud to be an Aussie."

Re: Patriotism

nero_bolt — Thu, 16 Oct 2014 05:29:54 GMT

@poddster wrote:
Is unconditional patriotism a desirable attribute or not?

Patriotism is NOT allowed any more poddy, the left and greens have seen to that

Re: Patriotism

the_great_she_elephant — Thu, 16 Oct 2014 05:31:03 GMT

What is your definition of patriotism, Nero?

Re: Patriotism

poddster — Thu, 16 Oct 2014 05:38:57 GMT

But i wonder if this thought went through some minds, " Why is my country ordering me to massacre innocent men women and children?" That would and should prompt one to question ultimate patriotism