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Asylum seekers

polksaladallie — Sat, 18 Oct 2014 08:08:30 GMT

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polksaladallie — Sat, 18 Oct 2014 08:16:13 GMT

This is how Italy (and the Norwegian boat) deals with asylum seekers.

Compare it with what we do.

An episode of Foreign Correspondent. (Hope it works this time)

http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/foreign-correspondent?WT.srch=1&WT.mc_id=Corp_TV-iview|iviewAdwords_AdWords_:%2Bforeign%20%2Bcorrespondent_e_g_54426429919_&gclid=CLKxvazgtcECFdgSvQoduXwArA#playing

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village_person — Sat, 18 Oct 2014 08:26:08 GMT

No problem with sound but video fails in the first minute.

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polksaladallie — Sat, 18 Oct 2014 08:33:23 GMT

Sorry,but it works OK for me.

Worth finding on the site anyway.

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boris1gary — Sat, 18 Oct 2014 08:58:29 GMT

yes but don't worry, murderson says it's a blessing and all the Doctors, health workers, salvation army workers etc etc are all lying and really the concentration detention prisons are quite nice, really like 2 star hotels, whats the odd death here and there. We have to understand Australia is a teeny tiny weeny little country and there just isn't any more room, lucky that our birth rate is very low - never mind that we are an ageing population, the plan is only the wealthy will get quite old anyway.

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ufo_investigations — Sat, 18 Oct 2014 10:23:47 GMT

These people going to Italy are moving from countries with islamic sharia law to a western democratic republic which has all the freedoms of Australia, America and the rest of the free world. They will demand mosques, halal foods and will not integrate. We have seen this time and again. I am happy that Italy has saved their lives but these people will not in any way shape or form comply with the traditions/customs and laws of Italy.

The sharia law they so deeply miss will not be discovered in Italy they will need to seek other lands.

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polksaladallie — Sat, 18 Oct 2014 14:07:26 GMT

My intention was to make evident the different way they were treated when they were found floating on the sea, as opposed to what our navy is told to do - put them on rafts and push them elsewhere or detain them at sea for months. In other words, hide the practices and use them as pawns to garner votes. They are being treated as human beings who have valid reasons for fleeing until proven otherwise.

I note that the new president of Indonesia has already ripped into Abbott about the turn-back policy.

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j*oono — Sat, 18 Oct 2014 14:21:45 GMT

I couldn't agree with you more Polksaladallie.

What a shame that here in Australia many are so opposed to asylum seekers that they are happy with this governments pledge to stop the boats and shove them back into the sea.

Nothing is told to us about new asylum seekers. It's pretty much a disgrace really and I would be loathe to vote for a government with such a policy.

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softail-joanie — Sat, 18 Oct 2014 18:56:05 GMT

What a shame that here in Australia many are so opposed to asylum seekers that they are happy with this governments pledge to stop the boats and shove them back into the sea. Nothing is told to us about new asylum seekers. It's pretty much a disgrace really and I would be loathe to vote for a government with such a policy.

I was thinking abot that while reading through this topic, what these people have to go back to when being turned away. It must take alot for someone to chuck it all and set out for the unknown. As bad as things are here for me and I have thought about setting out for some place new, I'm not quite there yet. I mean a person has to wonder what they are gonna do for food and shelter, and in the long term to make a decent living.

This could be a small part of a much bigger problem, a world problem of population. Some say this planet can't support the number of people living today, and there has never been in known history, as many people as there are today.

Theres two ways to see this, two sides to it, and both are valid. Still, turning boats away seems like putting a tiny bandaid on a shotgun wound.

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boris1gary — Sat, 18 Oct 2014 22:39:58 GMT

ufoinvestigations, as your siggy is from the bible and it's sunday, here are what the Catholic Church leadership has to say on our treatment of asylum seekers and of course the Pope on an international level. I thought you posted somewhere that you consider yourself a Catholic and you have strict religious beliefs - apologies if this is incorrect. There is a lot more as the religious community (most of it) is very active in supporting asylum seekers.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-02/pope-would-be-appalled-by-treatment-of-asylum-seekers-says-seni/5494828

Pope Francis would be appalled by treatment of asylum seekers on Manus Island, says Archbishop of Brisbane Mark Coleridge

http://ncronline.org/

Pope Francis

"Large numbers of people are leaving their homelands, with a suitcase full of fears and desires, to undertake a hopeful and dangerous trip in search of more humane living conditions," the pope wrote. "Such migration gives rise to suspicion and hostility, even in ecclesial communities, prior to any knowledge of the migrants' lives or their stories of persecution and destitution."

Pope Francis called on all to honor the "biblical commandment of welcoming with respect and solidarity the stranger in need."

"Jesus Christ is always waiting to be recognized in migrants and refugees, in displaced persons and in exiles, and through them he calls us to share our resources, and occasionally to give up something of our acquired riches," he wrote.

But individual and even national efforts to help migrants are insufficient, the pope wrote.

Statement by the Australian Catholic Bishops Conference on Asylum Seekers

We now make this urgent plea for a respect for the rights of asylum seekers, not only in Government circles but in the Australian community more broadly. Federal decision-makers in both major parties have made their decisions and implemented their policies because they think they have the support of the majority of Australians. Therefore, we want to speak to the entire Australian community.

The current policy has about it a cruelty that does no honour to our nation. How can this be when Australians are so generous in so many situations where human beings are in strife? Think of the way the Vietnamese boat people were welcomed in the 1970s and 80s. The question becomes more pointed when we think of the politicians who are making and implementing the decisions. They are not cruel people. Yet they have made decisions and are implementing policies which are cruel. How can this be so?

Island dwellers like Australians often have an acute sense of the “other” or the “outsider” – and that is how asylum seekers are being portrayed. They are the dangerous “other” or “outsider” to be feared and resisted because they are supposedly violating our borders.

http://mediablog.catholic.org.au/?p=2892

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pct001wine — Sat, 18 Oct 2014 22:50:40 GMT

Whilst I agree with the tone of the statement, I think they may have rose-coloured glasses on regarding the acceptance of Vietnamese boat people. They were greeted with the same fear, suspicion and loathing that we see every day here on the boards in respect of our current crop of refugees and asylum seekers.

Now that a few decades have passed, things are better, but they are still subjected to the same mindless drivel emanating from the mouths of the fear-mongers.

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karliandjacko — Sat, 18 Oct 2014 23:02:36 GMT

@village_person wrote:
No problem with sound but video fails in the first minute.

maybe your broadband is not good for streaming. iview works fine here.

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debra9275 — Sat, 18 Oct 2014 23:04:08 GMT

Fantastico!

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azureline** — Sat, 18 Oct 2014 23:30:36 GMT

@pct001wine wrote:
Whilst I agree with the tone of the statement, I think they may have rose-coloured glasses on regarding the acceptance of Vietnamese boat people. They were greeted with the same fear, suspicion and loathing that we see every day here on the boards in respect of our current crop of refugees and asylum seekers.
Now that a few decades have passed, things are better, but they are still subjected to the same mindless drivel emanating from the mouths of the fear-mongers.

Perhaps the Catholic Church's role in that crisis was different? Our Church openly supported those refugees from Vietnam, we sponsored families in the neighbourhood. So, we would not have seen it as anything but supportive, there was not the widespread use of internet and other media that we have today either, so our immediate view was what we knew.

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baybizz — Sat, 18 Oct 2014 23:54:28 GMT

"They blackmail us with our own decency"

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polksaladallie — Sun, 19 Oct 2014 00:35:18 GMT

@pct001wine wrote:
Whilst I agree with the tone of the statement, I think they may have rose-coloured glasses on regarding the acceptance of Vietnamese boat people. They were greeted with the same fear, suspicion and loathing that we see every day here on the boards in respect of our current crop of refugees and asylum seekers.
Now that a few decades have passed, things are better, but they are still subjected to the same mindless drivel emanating from the mouths of the fear-mongers.

I remember the treatment of Vietnamese, and although they were not "boat people", the treatment of Greeks and Italians before that. We as a nation can be nasty people.

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polksaladallie — Sun, 19 Oct 2014 00:37:23 GMT

@baybizz wrote:

"They blackmail us with our own decency"

What decency?

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i-need-a-martini — Sun, 19 Oct 2014 00:39:39 GMT

@polksaladallie wrote:

I remember the treatment of Vietnamese, and although they were not "boat people", the treatment of Greeks and Italians before that. We as a nation can be nasty people.

The problem with Australia is that we have always had it good. Unlike Europe where there is a strong recorded history of suffering.

Thats why Europeans generally treat those less fortunate with compassion and we treat them like lepers who brought it on themselves.

(That's my theory anyway)

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baybizz — Sun, 19 Oct 2014 00:55:21 GMT

>> #6: The sharia law they so deeply miss will not be discovered in Italy - they will need to seek other lands...

And guess where that will be:

www.telegraph.co.uk/france-immigrants-beseige-Calais-port-for-uk

France is not good enough - only Britain will do:

www.telegraph.co.uk/France-weak-link-in-European-migration-control

www.dailymail.co.uk/migrants-crisis-and-Britains-porous-borders

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polksaladallie — Sun, 19 Oct 2014 01:08:24 GMT

The thread was about the initial treatment of asylum seekers, not where they eventually end up.

Look at how Italy treated the bodies of drowned asylum seekers. Note the roses on every coffin, and the flowers and teddies on the coffins containing children.

I do not want to know what Australia did in similar circumstance. We did not do this.

I do know that the government was forced to allow a child to fly to the funeral of a relative, or vice versa, I don't quite remember.