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so Indonesia thinks it is OK

*mrgrizz* — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 01:27:04 GMT

to force a Australian plane to land because it entered their air space.

but think we can't turn around their boats that enter our waters

Re: so Indonesia thinks it is OK

village_person — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 01:47:53 GMT

Maybe we can cajole our Foreign Affairs Minister to throw her toys out of the cot like the Indonesian FAM did.

Re: so Indonesia thinks it is OK

boris1gary — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 02:09:09 GMT

yes it is OK. What do you think this govt would do if a plane entered our airspace without permission - send out a greeting party?

What is clear is that Australia cannot return boats into Indonesian waters without Indonesia's permission.

The Government can legally turn back asylum seeker boats provided it is safe to do so and they are intercepted within 24 nautical miles of the Australian coastline. It is clear that Australia cannot steer the boats into Indonesian waters, but exactly how close they can legally get to Indonesia is up for debate.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-26/government-turn-back-boat-policy/4979898

Re: so Indonesia thinks it is OK

**dirty.girl** — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 03:32:23 GMT

I wouldn't want to anger Indonesia, if I was Australian. With Indonesia's close proximity, and all the money we give them to shore up their military, I think it's best we zip it.

Re: so Indonesia thinks it is OK

boris1gary — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 03:47:53 GMT

it's also a safety issue, does anyone think it's OK for planes just to fly where ever they want without permission? I don't.

Re: so Indonesia thinks it is OK

**dirty.girl** — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 03:51:12 GMT

@boris1gary wrote:
it's also a safety issue, does anyone think it's OK for planes just to fly where ever they want without permission? I don't.

Of course - with all the issues with planes and flight-paths over that part of the world in the last year, I don't think it's unreasonable for Indonesia to take action. I would expect the Australian government would do the same here...

Re: so Indonesia thinks it is OK

village_person — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 03:56:15 GMT

@**dirty.girl** wrote:
I wouldn't want to anger Indonesia, if I was Australian. With Indonesia's close proximity, and all the money we give them to shore up their military, I think it's best we zip it.

Don't sweet it dg. The Indonesians can only manage to beat journalists (The Balibo Five) or push around insignificant unarmed countries like East Timor. It would be like Australia invading Pitcairn Island and claiming victory.

Re: so Indonesia thinks it is OK

polksaladallie — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 03:57:25 GMT

They sound like joy riders who are totally ignorant of flight rules. They were lucky they were not dealt with in a more serious manner.

Australian pilots have previously spent time in Indonesian jails for similar offences.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/indonesian-air-force-intercepts-australian-plane-20141022-11a32p.html

Re: so Indonesia thinks it is OK

**dirty.girl** — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 04:15:16 GMT

@village_person wrote:
@**dirty.girl** wrote:
I wouldn't want to anger Indonesia, if I was Australian. With Indonesia's close proximity, and all the money we give them to shore up their military, I think it's best we zip it.
Don't sweet it dg. The Indonesians can only manage to beat journalists (The Balibo Five) or push around insignificant unarmed countries like East Timor. It would be like Australia invading Pitcairn Island and claiming victory.

I don't "sweet" anything (cut out the carbs years ago). You need to do some research on the Indonesian armed forces before you claim the nation is no threat to Australia.

Talk about having your head in the sand, lol.

Re: so Indonesia thinks it is OK

kilroy_is_here — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 04:17:39 GMT

I have to side with the Indonesians here in this day and age of terrorism they should be able in fact they have a responsibility to do so if the plane entered illegally for all they know it could have been packed full of explosives , don't forget Indonesia has been a direct victim of terrorism

Re: so Indonesia thinks it is OK

**dirty.girl** — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 04:21:04 GMT

It could also effect Australians travelling on other aircraft in the area if a small plane comandeered by terrorists intercepted known flight routes and caused a mid-air collision. Many large passenger jets in the world have collided with very small planes and crashed.

Re: so Indonesia thinks it is OK

village_person — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 04:31:56 GMT

@**dirty.girl** wrote:
It could also effect Australians travelling on other aircraft in the area if a small plane comandeered by terrorists intercepted known flight routes and caused a mid-air collision. Many large passenger jets in the world have collided with very small planes and crashed.

Not another one from the grammar/spelling police force. I'll do it just once to show you that it does become very boring. The correct spelling is ' COMMANDEERED' not comandeered.

Re: so Indonesia thinks it is OK

**dirty.girl** — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 04:36:54 GMT

How immature.

Re: so Indonesia thinks it is OK

village_person — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 04:59:12 GMT

@**dirty.girl** wrote:
@village_person wrote:
@**dirty.girl** wrote:
I wouldn't want to anger Indonesia, if I was Australian. With Indonesia's close proximity, and all the money we give them to shore up their military, I think it's best we zip it.
Don't sweet it dg. The Indonesians can only manage to beat journalists (The Balibo Five) or push around insignificant unarmed countries like East Timor. It would be like Australia invading Pitcairn Island and claiming victory.

I don't "sweet" anything (cut out the carbs years ago). You need to do some research on the Indonesian armed forces before you claim the nation is no threat to Australia.

How immature indeed.

Re: so Indonesia thinks it is OK

**dirty.girl** — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 05:06:38 GMT

Oh dear, you are flustered.

Re: so Indonesia thinks it is OK

debra9275 — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 06:03:51 GMT

Every light plane has to lodge a flight path and have clearances, otherwise we would have light planes crossing into airline flight paths all over the place and causing accidents.

If we had an unidentified and unresponsive plane flying over our air space we would probably shoot first and ask questions later. I don't understand why they didn't initially respond to the landing orders, unless they were fully aware that they never arranged the proper clearances.

Re: so Indonesia thinks it is OK

debra9275 — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 06:05:03 GMT

Village person, we are not so kind to East Timor either