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Any rose experts out there?

i-need-a-martini — Sat, 01 Nov 2014 22:58:16 GMT

My favourite garden rose has bloomed profusedly this week but it isn't my favourite rose that is blooming - it is the stock that it is planted on. Pretty enough but not what I want.

I've just had a good look at it and there is only one stem of the rose I want and multiples of the stock this rose is grafted to. Obviously I have stuffed up somehow when I cut the rose back in winter.

Question is - what do I do now? Do I wait for winter and cut back all the stuff I don't want. My only problem then is I may not be able to see which rose is which plus I am worried that by then the graft stock will have taken over completely. Or do I bite the bullet and cut the rose back now in summer to get rid of everything I don't want?

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amber-eyed-girl — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 01:50:48 GMT

Do you remember where you bought it? I would call them. Or your nearest garden centre to ask what to do. That's what I would do, be awful if you stunted it by cutting it back wrongly right now.

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i-need-a-martini — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 03:01:29 GMT

It's an old rose that came with the house. I understand that the rose garden is about 30 years old.

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myoclon1cjerk — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 03:05:17 GMT

Is it a standardised rose? i.e the type that has a cluster of growth atop a long straight trunk?

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i-need-a-martini — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 03:10:45 GMT

No not a standard. Just a grafted rose. The new shoots are coming out from below the ground.

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amber-eyed-girl — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 03:27:59 GMT

OK. Can you take a picture of it and show it to someone at a garden centre maybe?

http://www.abc.net.au/gardening/stories/s3991232.htm

Says how to deal with suckers of the graft, hope that helps.

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imastawka — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 03:28:08 GMT

This may help?

A quick tutorial on how to remove sucker growth from roses. Suckers are the root stock growing from budded roses. They "suck" the energy from the roses and should be removed. This video helps you identify them and shows you the best way to remove them

I'm not a rose expert. Good luck

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lind9650 — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 03:27:31 GMT

Martini, I am no rose expert, but I have been growing roses for the last 55 years. If it was my rose, I would cut all the unwanted shoots right back to the trunk and keep an eye on any new ones appearing below the graft and remove them when small. Just nurture the rose you want to have.

Next winter when you cut back the good rose, take a few cuttings and stick them in a pot or straight into the garden. Not all my take root, but you may end up with a true rose that is not grafted and every shoot from the plant is the true rose.

I have grown many roses from cuttings that I got from neighbours roses and all have done better than the grafted ones.

Erica

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amber-eyed-girl — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 03:29:45 GMT

Stawka... Snap ! 🙂

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myoclon1cjerk — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 03:41:11 GMT

OK.Cut the suckers off.That will promote growth on the rose bush.If suckers are growing on the bush's trunk,cut them off flush with the trunk to prevent regeneration.Trust me.I graft (grape vines) for a crust.:)

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imastawka — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 03:44:46 GMT

Martini. both the links above say to rip off the suckers

to prevent re-growth. If you cut them, it promotes growth

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amber-eyed-girl — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 03:52:29 GMT

From the ABC,

"Penny recommends cutting them away - but not with secateurs. She breaks them off at the base by stamping on them with her foot, but also says, "If you've got a very sharp knife, you could pull it down and scrape right into the trunk and then dab a bit of water-based paint on where it came out of and then pile your soil up around it."

They need to be treated not to regrow, if cut. And need to be cut in a specific manner.

if just cut off, they will regrow, and you don't want that.

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amber-eyed-girl — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 04:08:26 GMT

So, yes, get rid of them flush with the trunk, not leaving any bit above that 🙂

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joz*garage — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 04:26:40 GMT

@i-need-a-martini wrote:
My favourite garden rose has bloomed profusedly this week but it isn't my favourite rose that is blooming - it is the stock that it is planted on. Pretty enough but not what I want.

I've just had a good look at it and there is only one stem of the rose I want and multiples of the stock this rose is grafted to. Obviously I have stuffed up somehow when I cut the rose back in winter.

Question is - what do I do now? Do I wait for winter and cut back all the stuff I don't want. My only problem then is I may not be able to see which rose is which plus I am worried that by then the graft stock will have taken over completely. Or do I bite the bullet and cut the rose back now in summer to get rid of everything I don't want?

sounds like you went to town on the prunning

if that one stem is not producing growth...

try snipping back all the growth from the root stock, add some blood n bone and manure , water it in - to encourage growth

it's hard to kill a rose but you may have prunned back too much of the grafted section, hopefully that one good stem is still alive

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joz*garage — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 04:41:21 GMT

@lind9650 wrote:
Martini, I am no rose expert, but I have been growing roses for the last 55 years. If it was my rose, I would cut all the unwanted shoots right back to the trunk and keep an eye on any new ones appearing below the graft and remove them when small. Just nurture the rose you want to have.

Next winter when you cut back the good rose, take a few cuttings and stick them in a pot or straight into the garden. Not all my take root, but you may end up with a true rose that is not grafted and every shoot from the plant is the true rose.

I have grown many roses from cuttings that I got from neighbours roses and all have done better than the grafted ones.

Erica

i'm no expert either, but i've had quite a few years experience playing with them

it's not the best idea to take cuttings from a rose bush hoping that some might take root

there's a reason why they were grafted onto root stock so they can handle and thrive in local conditions

ok to try, but.. i doubt they would perform as good without the selected root stock

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happyroo_bunji — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 06:23:39 GMT

@joz*garage wrote:
it's hard to kill a rose but you may have prunned back too much of the grafted section, hopefully that one good stem is still alive

I can kill roses! In my family I'm called on when someone is sick of a rose.

My method involves a shovel, an axe and lots of swearing 😛

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joz*garage — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 06:39:06 GMT

i could've killed approximately 250 rose bushes when i moved here, but i chose to transplant them all in pots, and get some money for them, i averaged $20 a pop

a landscaper bought 50 at a discount price

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amber-eyed-girl — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 06:42:36 GMT

I love roses. Was just for a stroll in a park last weekend that had dozens of different ones all in bloom.

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imastawka — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 06:51:08 GMT

@happyroo_bunji wrote:
@joz*garage wrote:
it's hard to kill a rose but you may have prunned back too much of the grafted section, hopefully that one good stem is still alive
I can kill roses! In my family I'm called on when someone is sick of a rose.

My method involves a shovel, an axe and lots of swearing 😛

Hah! I win......I can also kill 'em. My method is called pruning!

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joz*garage — Sun, 02 Nov 2014 07:20:07 GMT

@amber-eyed-girl wrote:
I love roses. Was just for a stroll in a park last weekend that had dozens of different ones all in bloom.

once they flowered, i selected 30 for a rose patch in front of the house, which i thought were the best

T-roses, austins etc

they put on a terrific show for years, but I then got sick of the maintenance

a fella bought the remaining 30 to spruce up a house he was selling, he dug them up as well, and they all went in his sedan, chock a block

i was asking $25 a piece for them but settled for 15