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Horse Racing is Stupid. Period.

the_bob_delusion — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 22:14:46 GMT

So there.

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boris1gary — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 22:21:35 GMT

and cruel.

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village_person — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 22:52:01 GMT

@**bob_on_the_go** wrote:
So there.

That's pretty deep botg.

Here are the rules to winning:

Don't bet on the jumps

Don't bet on 2-year-olds early in their careers

Avoid betting if the track is very wet

Never accept any price lower than 6/4 (that's $2:50 if you have been put through our alleged education system)

Once you land your winner quit the track.

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softail-joanie — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 22:54:31 GMT

I never been to or seen one, so I have no idea. Bob, can you go into some detail and explain how it's stupid? and Boris, can you explain how it's cruel? Being a big fan of Nascar, I always thought it might be fun to watch. to watch horses race too. Just never got around to it, and please keep in mind that I know nothing at all about horse racing.

I been on a horse one time and it seemed to me as though he liked being rode and wanted to go faster than I wanted to go. I had to slow him down.

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azureline** — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 23:03:14 GMT

Horse racing is a big industry......... the economy benefits from it.

Just like dog racing, dog breeding, cattle production, pork production etc. There are rules and laws in place to protect animals from abuse, if anyone has objections to the industries, they are quite at liberty to support the legitimate efforts to enforce those rules and laws.

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the_bob_delusion — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 23:05:56 GMT

Making animal suffer and die for the purpose of human entertainment. Stupid heh.

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the_bob_delusion — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 23:07:06 GMT

@azureline** wrote:
Horse racing is a big industry......... the economy benefits from it.
Just like dog racing, dog breeding, cattle production, pork production etc. There are rules and laws in place to protect animals from abuse, if anyone has objections to the industries, they are quite at liberty to support the legitimate efforts to enforce those rules and laws.

Are you saying we should do things because the economy benefits from it?

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azureline** — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 23:19:21 GMT

I am saying what I said................. no need to change it.

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icyfroth — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 23:20:05 GMT

@**bob_on_the_go** wrote:
Making animal suffer and die for the purpose of human entertainment. Stupid heh.

I'm inclined to agree.

But the racehorses are treated very well in comparison to working horses or horses that have been bought for recreation and abandoned in a paddock once they were of no longer use.

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softail-joanie — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 23:22:59 GMT

Making animal suffer and die for the purpose of human entertainment. Stupid heh.

I suppose when you consider that the horses have no choice in the matter, you make a good point. In Nascar, the drivers, pit crew, and people watching in the stands are at some risk, but they have a clear choice not to be there. I can imagine if the stakes are high enough, those horses can be ridden way past the point of their endurance limit. They probibly drug them up pretty good too with some kind of steroids or speed. Just a guess.

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azureline** — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 23:26:12 GMT

The horse that died was pulled up by the jockey, he knew something was wrong and took appropriate action.

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*lady*godiva* — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 23:26:39 GMT

@icyfroth wrote:
@**bob_on_the_go** wrote:
Making animal suffer and die for the purpose of human entertainment. Stupid heh.
I'm inclined to agree.
But the racehorses are treated very well in comparison to working horses or horses that have been bought for recreation and abandoned in a paddock once they were of no longer use.

May I ask from where you draw that conclusion?

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*lady*godiva* — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 23:27:47 GMT

@azureline** wrote:
The horse that died was pulled up by the jockey, he knew something was wrong and took appropriate action.

still finished the race though.

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bushies.girl — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 23:37:36 GMT

Exactly ....

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bushies.girl — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 23:46:01 GMT

Most racehorse are shot if they are of no futher use, I dont call that being well treated .... Greyhounds are "bled" then pts

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azureline** — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 23:56:43 GMT

@*lady*godiva* wrote:
@azureline** wrote:
The horse that died was pulled up by the jockey, he knew something was wrong and took appropriate action.
still finished the race though.

Yes, however, unless he wanted to bring down some other horses, he possibly had no other options?

I have owned some ex race horses and pacers, lovely horses, who were not shot. There is also a greyhound rescue group who rehome them.

I don't think it will be a simple task to ban rodeo, horse racing, dog racing and breeding of dogs and cats.

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bushies.girl — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 23:56:44 GMT

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cherry*135 — Wed, 05 Nov 2014 00:03:16 GMT

125 racehorses in Australia died on the track in the last 12 months.

"Last night, ABC’s Lateline published footage of Admire Rakti immediately after the race, showing the seven-year-old stallion collapsing in its stall as its attendants begin to panic.
Some say warning bells were ringing before the race even began, with the horse clearly hesitant to participate."

“Today’s events are a sad reminder of the dangers of horse racing, and more needs to be done to ensure the safety and welfare of horses.
“A clear start to this would be an end to reckless and cruel jumps racing which kills horses at 20x the rate of flat racing, and an end to two year-old racing and pushing horses beyond their physical limits with the whip.”

“He is one of 125 horses killed in the last 12 months during or after training or on the track,” Mr Ward said. “That is a horse every 2.9 days.
“We think the real issue is over exertion and use of the whip.”

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bushies.girl — Wed, 05 Nov 2014 00:03:40 GMT

A few are saved but 100's of greyhounds are pts each yr ..... many racehorses are destroyed.Who cares if it's simple or not, it can be done

.... Victoria and SA are the only states in Aust that permit jumps racing, all the other stated have banned it .... Vic is the only state that still permits duck shooting for sport .....

It CAN be done!

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lloydslights — Wed, 05 Nov 2014 00:03:31 GMT

One aspect I find worrying about horse racing is that the "trackwork" is conducted in the cool morning air, and the actual races are in the hotter part of the day.

Not only confined to the performance on the track but the "sire-ing and dam-ing" duties in their retirement is controlled "bridled passion".

They have become Beasts of Burden for the economy.

The hats, the fashion, the shoes, the transport, the alcohol, the makeup, So much "invested" Australia-wide for just this one day alone! And all those people employed within the racing industry. And even the construction industry with the grandstands. The gardeners and plant nurseries, too.

All the taxes from each aspect to the government (whichever is in power at the time) !

DEB