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Proof of halal scam

ufo_investigations — Mon, 10 Nov 2014 18:40:24 GMT

http://pickeringpost.com/story/proof-of-halal-scam-/3872

BOYCOTT HALAL!

Re: Proof of halal scam

pct001wine — Mon, 10 Nov 2014 20:06:14 GMT

Pickering & proof ? Oxymoronic.

This fraudster is doing more damage to Australian business than any alleged abuse of Halal certification.

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wilk1149 — Mon, 10 Nov 2014 20:37:40 GMT

Without stupid people where will we get our politicians

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debra9275 — Mon, 10 Nov 2014 20:39:19 GMT

Pickering???

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polksaladallie — Mon, 10 Nov 2014 20:41:47 GMT

Much more inportant it the heart tick scam. To follow that will bring on disease.

BOYCOTT THE HEART TICK!

Re: Proof of halal scam

cherry*135 — Mon, 10 Nov 2014 21:15:05 GMT

Pickering publishes his 'opinion' and incorrect information. Example: published a statement from dicksmithfoods that contained a paragraph with religious connotations that was not part of the dicksmithfoods statement., therefore misleading many people.

Re: Proof of halal scam

cherry*135 — Mon, 10 Nov 2014 21:27:06 GMT

Plastic packaging can be made with animal fats. If they are made with bio hybrid resins instead they can be halal certified.

Read this again,( especially the last sentence), it is nonsense..and has been copied and repeated all over the net.

"A South Australian company is paying one of many competing Islamic Halal Certification “services” (AFIC) an undisclosed monthly fee for its seal of approval. But Scholle Industries Pty Ltd, based in Elizabeth, is a manufacturer of plastic packaging (plastic is derived from oil) and has apparently been able to assure Muslim fraudsters that all oil wells are facing Mecca."

Re: Proof of halal scam

punch*drunk — Mon, 10 Nov 2014 21:35:35 GMT

Another unecessary certification. If they are not using animal fats then they dont need to be certified.

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cherry*135 — Mon, 10 Nov 2014 21:36:44 GMT

"How are the funds from halal certification used?

The service fees paid to Halal Australia for halal certification and accreditation are used to maintain the normal costs of running a registered business in Australia. These include overhead costs such as utilities, rent, inventory and supplies, and employee salaries, as well as income taxes paid to the Australian government. Inspection fees also include auditing services, which are undertaken to maintain quality control of the premises and products and which cover standard expenses such as service, transportation and travel time.

Halal Australia is proud to be an Australian business and in accordance with the Australian Government’s values statement has always undertaken to respect the values of Australian society and obey its laws.
Halal certification profits DO NOT go towards supporting any terrorist activities or violent politically motivated religious organisations.

Nor do we have anything to do with any organisation or group anywhere in the world that incites violence and are not aligned with our values of freedom, egalitarianism, equality of opportunity, and mutual respect and tolerance."

http://www.halal-australia.com.au/clarifying-misconceptions-about-halal/

Re: Proof of halal scam

azureline** — Mon, 10 Nov 2014 21:41:21 GMT

@punch*drunk wrote:
Another unecessary certification. If they are not using animal fats then they dont need to be certified.

they do, if the buyers require it.

Re: Proof of halal scam

Anonymous — Mon, 10 Nov 2014 21:50:52 GMT

how many companies are there in australia

that are authorised to issue halal certifications?

Re: Proof of halal scam

punch*drunk — Mon, 10 Nov 2014 21:53:05 GMT

@azureline** wrote:
@punch*drunk wrote:
Another unecessary certification. If they are not using animal fats then they dont need to be certified.

they do, if the buyers require it.

And there's the bit people have a problem with. There is no valid muslim or jewish reason for an oil based plastic to need certification yet they are required to pay a fee to religious organisations to be able to sell their product in certain countries. On these sort of items its nothing more than a money making scheme.

Re: Proof of halal scam

cherry*135 — Mon, 10 Nov 2014 21:56:04 GMT

How do Muslim consumers know for certain some plastic packaging doesn't contain animal fat unless it is halal certified?

Any manufacturer or food producer can claim they don't use animal products or in the case of organic certification they don't use chemicals but unless those products are certified there is no way consumers can be sure the products don't contain ingredients they don't want to purchase.

Organic certified veges are grown without the use of chemicals. Unnecessary certification because there are no chemicals involved?

Re: Proof of halal scam

cherry*135 — Mon, 10 Nov 2014 21:59:54 GMT

Example of the yogurt supply contract worth $50 000 pa, halal certification fee $1000 pa. Why isn't a business allowed to make their own commercial decisions whether they want to enter into such a contract or not?

Re: Proof of halal scam

punch*drunk — Mon, 10 Nov 2014 22:00:08 GMT

So what did muslims eat and pakage their food in before we had certification? Will they all go to hell because certification was only invented a few decades ago?

I can see the need for certification of animal products and their deriviatives, but we have ingredient labelling on pretty much everything nowadays, certification is simply an unecessay cost on things that are halal by default.

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bushies.girl — Mon, 10 Nov 2014 22:02:51 GMT

Re: Proof of halal scam

cherry*135 — Mon, 10 Nov 2014 22:04:27 GMT

Could you give a date/year that halal certification was first used in Australia?

We have an organic certified farmer at our local markets. They have a copy of their certification visible, their vege prices are quite a bit higher than non organic veges.

Other vege sellers can claim they grow their veges organically.. they can't prove they do unless they are certified.

Re: Proof of halal scam

punch*drunk — Mon, 10 Nov 2014 22:06:31 GMT

@am*3 wrote:
Example of the yogurt supply contract worth $50 000 pa, halal certification fee $1000 pa. Why isn't a business allowed to make their own commercial decisions whether they want to enter into such a contract or not?

They can and they did. But it seems some of their existing customers preferred to by non halal certified products and they figured perhaps they'd lose more than they gained. So they made another business decision to drop the certification.

$50,000 is not a massive contract, they could easily lose more than that by losing a couple of hundred existing customers.

The certification doesnt particularly worry me, I certainly wouldnt go out of my way to look for labels and boycott companies, but I can understand why people are cheesed off when its hitting them in the hip pocket.

Re: Proof of halal scam

bluemakede — Mon, 10 Nov 2014 22:06:40 GMT

Where did you buy that?

Re: Proof of halal scam

cherry*135 — Mon, 10 Nov 2014 22:07:46 GMT

Can you show the list of actual ingredients for that can?