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Almost 2,200 Arrivals In Just 20 Days

nero_bolt — Wed, 22 May 2013 00:34:59 GMT

And the cost just goes up and up and up and we are paying for our open borders.... A huge labor FAIL

Two more illegal boat arrivals, with a total of over 100 people on board, mean almost 2,200 people have arrived on illegal boats so far this month, an average of over 100 people a day, Shadow Minister for Immigration and Citizenship, Scott Morrison and Shadow Minister for Justice, Customs and Border Protection, Michael Keenan said today.

"These latest illegal arrivals continue the record rate of boats under Julia Gillard, which have seen an average of over 100 people arrive every day this month," Mr Morrison said.

"Labor's failed policies once again have resulted in hundreds of people being housed in tents on Christmas Island as detention centres across the country fill to overflowing.

"The last time this many people were in tents on Christmas Island was just before the riots there in 2011. Labor's policies on our borders result in a cyclical pattern of failure of more boat arrivals and more repeated failure of the past.

"This is the track record of Julia Gillard. Australians can't afford three more years of her government's cost, chaos and tragedy on our borders.

"The Coalition will break Labor's cycle of failure on our borders by restoring the proven policies and resolve necessary to stop the boats," Mr Morrison said.

Mr Keenan said: “531 boats carrying over 34,000 people have now arrived since the last election when Labor promised the Australian people that they would regain control of our borders and stop the boats from coming.

“Under Julia Gillard there have been more illegal boat arrivals than under any other Australian Prime Minister in our entire history.

“How can the Australian people believe the Gillard Government when they say that they will stop the boats when all they have done is sit on their hands and use their Malaysia Swap Deal as an excuse to do nothing – despite their own expert panel saying it wouldn’t work in its current form.

“In the first four days of this month we had nearly 900 people arrive by boat, which is more than the entire quota for the Malaysia Swap Deal.

“The Australian people are sick of excuses – they need a government that will implement the tough border protection measures to put an end to this evil trade,” Mr Keenan said.

http://www.liberal.org.au/latest-news/2013/05/21/almost-2200-arrivals-just-20-days

Re: Almost 2,200 Arrivals In Just 20 Days

*crikey*mate* — Wed, 22 May 2013 00:49:38 GMT

serious question - but how are the boats illegal?

as far as I know, it is not illegal to seek asylum in Australia, even if arriving by boat.

Re: Almost 2,200 Arrivals In Just 20 Days

newstart2380 — Wed, 22 May 2013 01:00:19 GMT

serious question - but how are the boats illegal?

as far as I know, it is not illegal to seek asylum in Australia, even if arriving by boat.

Yes you are right, it's not illegal to seek asylum but it is illegal what the boat owners are doing and how they are lying about the opportunities in Australia and charging people extortionist amounts of money to bring and their families them here.

Many that come here are not refugees, they just want to come here like the fishing boats that are towed into Darwin harbour because they deliberately stray within the 12 kl zone and get picked up by the patrol boats.

Re: Almost 2,200 Arrivals In Just 20 Days

*crikey*mate* — Wed, 22 May 2013 01:09:02 GMT

so is it Australia that created the legislation that denotes the way in which the boat operators operate is illegal?

I've only done a bit of transnational law, (pretty much the history of it and pirates and stuff - still two more subjects on this which are electives and specialties) and they haven't really covered what happens when someone comes within the 12 klm zone - could you please explain that to me as well?

Maybe show me some legislation or policy documents about all this too?

I really am interested, I'm not taking the Mickey.

Re: Almost 2,200 Arrivals In Just 20 Days

meh_too — Wed, 22 May 2013 02:50:59 GMT

I dont know why we bother having Immigration Officers at the international airports. Just let everyone in.

Re: Almost 2,200 Arrivals In Just 20 Days

lakeland27 — Wed, 22 May 2013 02:55:54 GMT

can't wait to see Mr Abbott stop this.

how exactly is the question. 🙂

Re: Almost 2,200 Arrivals In Just 20 Days

karliandjacko — Wed, 22 May 2013 02:57:13 GMT

What's with the SPAM. Surely we can go the LNP site ourselves if we are interested.

Re: Almost 2,200 Arrivals In Just 20 Days

lakeland27 — Wed, 22 May 2013 02:59:42 GMT

more patrol boats ? that will take a decade at the rate they are delivered (thats without taking the cost into account)

more customs staff ? he's cutting public service jobs not hiring.. (as well as the cost)

looks like it wont be changing in a hurry..

Re: Almost 2,200 Arrivals In Just 20 Days

lakeland27 — Wed, 22 May 2013 03:00:42 GMT

What's with the SPAM. Surely we can go the LNP site ourselves if we are interested.

its empty rhetoric . a promise he cant keep.

Re: Almost 2,200 Arrivals In Just 20 Days

not_an_eloi — Wed, 22 May 2013 04:44:04 GMT

no, it's more liberal bs from a liberal bs site, made to look like Julia Gillard's doin' nothin' to deal with the problem, nero just forgot to mention this:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-17/parliament-excises-mainland-from-migration-zone/4695384

Re: Almost 2,200 Arrivals In Just 20 Days

cherry*135 — Wed, 22 May 2013 05:50:27 GMT

can't wait to see Mr Abbott stop this.

how exactly is the question. 🙂

OP, how does Mr Abbott intend to deal with this issue?

Re: Almost 2,200 Arrivals In Just 20 Days

azureline** — Wed, 22 May 2013 05:58:01 GMT

no, it's more liberal bs from a liberal bs site, made to look like Julia Gillard's doin' nothin' to deal with the problem, nero just forgot to mention this:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-17/parliament-excises-mainland-from-migration-zone/4695384

Christine Milne had an interesting slant on the detention of children in that.

Re: Almost 2,200 Arrivals In Just 20 Days

silverfaun — Wed, 22 May 2013 06:10:53 GMT

Isn't all the luvvies self righteousness just a bit odd. They seem to like the fact that these people are coming here in the hundreds so stuff that in your jumper Abbott.

What I am waiting for is all the bleeding hearts who have kept their traps shut for the last 6 years re this issue to all start just as soon as Labor are kicked out.

To cry & bleat about children behind razor wire. Just let them, we have all been witness to the epic failure of labor re our borders. The majority of voters are not stupid, they know that the great bullk of these people are economic not political refugees, they want it fixed & can't wait for the Conservatives to do so.

Re: Almost 2,200 Arrivals In Just 20 Days

the_great_she_elephant — Wed, 22 May 2013 06:28:34 GMT

2,200 in 29 days - and the truly heartbreaking thing is that that represents only a tiny percentage of desperate people worldwide seeking escape from tyranny, discrimination and injustice. How is it that a species so intelligent and technologically advanced is at the same time so brutal, so callous, and so intolerant?

Re: Almost 2,200 Arrivals In Just 20 Days

the_great_she_elephant — Wed, 22 May 2013 06:31:30 GMT

It is a sad indictment of the human race that the more we have, the more we want, and the less we are prepared to give.

Re: Almost 2,200 Arrivals In Just 20 Days

lakeland27 — Wed, 22 May 2013 06:42:37 GMT

Isn't all the luvvies self righteousness just a bit odd. They seem to like the fact that these people are coming here in the hundreds so stuff that in your jumper Abbott.

What I am waiting for is all the bleeding hearts who have kept their traps shut for the last 6 years re this issue to all start just as soon as Labor are kicked out.

To cry & bleat about children behind razor wire. Just let them, we have all been witness to the epic failure of labor re our borders. The majority of voters are not stupid, they know that the great bullk of these people are economic not political refugees, they want it fixed & can't wait for the Conservatives to do so.

How ? by asking News lttd to be quiet about it ? or will they even have to ask..

Re: Almost 2,200 Arrivals In Just 20 Days

*crikey*mate* — Wed, 22 May 2013 07:29:04 GMT

2,200 in 29 days - and the truly heartbreaking thing is that that represents only a tiny percentage of desperate people worldwide seeking escape from tyranny, discrimination and injustice. How is it that a species so intelligent and technologically advanced is at the same time so brutal, so callous, and so intolerant?

because sometimes people can't even forgive mistakes, even if the answer isn't 7. They must continue to try and humiliate and belittle people.

Re: Almost 2,200 Arrivals In Just 20 Days

pct001wine — Wed, 22 May 2013 07:29:57 GMT

It's all very well to say "tighten the borders", how exactly does Abbott propose to do this ? How many km of coastline ? How many patrol boats/customs vessels ? And how good are our methods of detection ? (if a boat can sail undetected into Geraldton, well that probably answers the question). Ramping up surveillance and interception is neither cheap nor quick.

When Abbott goes to Indonesia in his first week in office (this was a promise, remember - he will be a busy boy !) to tell the Indonesians to shape up, what exactly is he going to say ? (apart from "um...um...err...")

I've had a brief look at the propaganda on their website about border controls, nothing of substance. How exactly will he "turn the boats back" ? Give them a gentle nudge with the prow of the patrol boat ? Say "Shoo" ? (in Bahasa of course) ? Give them some money and some McDonalds vouchers ?

Re: Almost 2,200 Arrivals In Just 20 Days

donnashuggy — Wed, 22 May 2013 07:39:36 GMT

I'm more interested in how he is going to blame Labor when he fails to stop the boats.

What will his reasons be?

Re: Almost 2,200 Arrivals In Just 20 Days

pct001wine — Wed, 22 May 2013 07:39:43 GMT

"The surprise yesterday was his pledge to travel to Indonesia in his first days as PM – a week in which he has also promised to abolish the carbon and mining taxes and begin a commission of audit into government spending.

”Within a week of taking office, I would go to Indonesia to renew our co-operation against people smuggling,” Mr Abbott said.

”I would, of course, politely explain to the Indonesian government that we take as dim a view of Indonesian boats disgorging illegal arrivals in Australia as they take of Australians importing drugs into Bali.”"

Also .... and somewhat contrary to the tone ...

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/indonesia-raps-abbott-over-towback-policy-20130423-2ibqp.html