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twinkles**stars — Mon, 01 Dec 2014 19:55:53 GMT

GREENS Senator Larissa Waters has urged Christmas shoppers to rethink buying bright pink jewellery or dolls for little girls, linking gender-stereotyped toys to domestic violence and pay inequality.

The minor party’s gender spokeswoman has endorsed the ‘No Gender December’ campaign, set up by grassroots group Play Unlimited, which calls on retailers to stop using old-fashioned gender stereotypes as marketing ploys this Christmas.

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dawau37 — Mon, 01 Dec 2014 20:45:36 GMT

I think that is silly. I have boys and girls. They play with each other's toys. I think children learn by example.

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***super_nova*** — Mon, 01 Dec 2014 21:12:43 GMT

The fact is little girls like pink, maybe some boys also like pink, but my daughter always liked pink. You could say that was because I conditioned her that way, but that is totally wrong. I actually really liked her in bright sky blue/Madonna blue and even navy, and our place was totally pink free zone while she was a baby. She had very pale blond hair and huge blue eyes and blue suited her, but as soon as she could express her preference she would reach for pink.

In any case, in the past, up to 1st half of 20th century in some parts of the world pink was associated with boys and blue with girls.

People complain that girls' toys are mainly pink. That is because manufactures do consumer surveys releasing groups of toddler into rooms with toys and carefully note what appeals to them, and make toys according to the results.

I'd say, forget about irrelevant details and concentrate on bringing boys and girls to feel equal, and comfortable with each other, and who they are.

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freddie*rooster — Mon, 01 Dec 2014 21:23:52 GMT

As someone just comment on TV this was typical front page grabbing and she succeeded.

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harley_babes_hoard — Mon, 01 Dec 2014 21:50:02 GMT

what's with all this gender neutral carp, honestly aren't their bigger issues to solve?

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2106greencat — Mon, 01 Dec 2014 21:53:24 GMT

@harley_babes_hoard wrote:
what's with all this gender neutral carp, honestly aren't their bigger issues to solve?

You would certainly think so wouldn't you ?

What a load of tosh!

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aps1080 — Mon, 01 Dec 2014 22:47:19 GMT

And you wonder why the Greens are looked on as idiots.

You already have a push in Kindergartens for NO boy or Girl but everyone to be called "Purple Pumpkins".

That is recent fact, I burst out laughing when I was told.

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Anonymous — Mon, 01 Dec 2014 23:13:41 GMT

GREENS Senator Larissa Waters has urged Christmas shoppers to rethink buying bright pink jewellery or dolls for little girls, linking gender-stereotyped toys to domestic violence and pay inequality.

she said as part of the 'no gender in december' campaign

she would like toy stores to stop displaying signs saying

which toys are for boys or girls.

when asked if she had seen any such signs in toy stores

she said she hasn't had as much time to go to toy shops

as she used to.

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grandmoon — Mon, 01 Dec 2014 23:35:00 GMT

Maybe she would like to suggest what I can get for Granddaughter for Christmas.

When I asked her what she would like she said "Anything as long as it is Pink"

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lurker172602 — Mon, 01 Dec 2014 23:40:24 GMT

I dunno, maybe she's onto something. I don't remember little girls being anywhere near as pink as they are now when my kids were little, about 30 years ago.
And I did notice signs in (I think it was) K-M recently pointing out the boys isle and girls isle in the toy section.

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Anonymous — Mon, 01 Dec 2014 23:47:44 GMT

its chaotic enough as it is during christmas -

lets just remove all the signs and labels, dont worry

about gender specific b'day cards, lets throw all kids

clothing/footwear together as well and just send the

kids shopping

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gleee58 — Tue, 02 Dec 2014 00:06:19 GMT

@lurker172602 wrote:
I dunno, maybe she's onto something. I don't remember little girls being anywhere near as pink as they are now when my kids were little, about 30 years ago.
And I did notice signs in (I think it was) K-M recently pointing out the boys isle and girls isle in the toy section.

Yes, I agree. We've been talking about this recently. One girl wants a pink truck because she likes pink at the moment but aside from that the marketing is so much more gendered these days. The message is clearly kitchens are for girls and trucks are for girls and the assumption is that everything for girls should be pink and most things for boys should be drab cacky colours. The toy lanes are divided with signs to indicate girls and boys. Last year my nephew wanted a toy kitchen.

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Anonymous — Tue, 02 Dec 2014 00:11:54 GMT

The toy lanes are divided with signs to indicate girls and boys.

i went to a major toys store recently looking

for b'day presents but i didn't see any signs.

yes, the toys are segregated but no signs.

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gleee58 — Tue, 02 Dec 2014 00:27:02 GMT

@*julia*2010 wrote:
The toy lanes are divided with signs to indicate girls and boys.

i went to a major toys store recently looking
for b'day presents but i didn't see any signs.
yes, the toys are segregated but no signs.

Well good for you. I went to one recently and was actually surprised to see boy/girl signs in the toy dept.

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Anonymous — Tue, 02 Dec 2014 00:30:18 GMT

Well good for you.

lol, not exactly. i would have appreciated

the signs

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lurker172602 — Tue, 02 Dec 2014 00:30:21 GMT

Wherever it was I saw it they had signs hanging above the aisles saying Boys Toys and Girls Toys. Just like the ones that say Manchester and Outdoors and Video or whatever.

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lind9650 — Tue, 02 Dec 2014 00:33:11 GMT

Yesterday we went into the next town to go to Toyworld. I wanted a "My first Laptop" for my great-grandson, but --- alas--- they only had them in PINK. Shopowner rang another Toyworld, and ys, they had another colour. It was green. No blue ones were available. Only pink and green.

So off we went on a 1½ hour round trip to get a green toy for a three year old boy.

That would have pleased the Greens Senator. That lady should be more concerned about the game "Grand Theft Auto 5"

Erica

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bluecat*dancing — Tue, 02 Dec 2014 00:40:34 GMT

While I understand the stance on stereotypical toys, I don't see the connection with domestic violence and pay inequality. One of my girls loved pink,and still does, while the other has always loathed the colour pink.

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Anonymous — Tue, 02 Dec 2014 00:49:41 GMT

@bluecat*dancing wrote:
While I understand the stance on stereotypical toys, I don't see the connection with domestic violence and pay inequality. One of my girls loved pink,and still does, while the other has always loathed the colour pink.

neither do i.

there is absolutely no evidence to support that.

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***super_nova*** — Tue, 02 Dec 2014 02:30:09 GMT

@bluecat*dancing wrote:
While I understand the stance on stereotypical toys, I don't see the connection with domestic violence and pay inequality.

I guess there is connection if girls are taught, even by implication only, that they are not as good as boys, that the expression "girl" is an insult. That pink is for girls and boy would not be seen dead with anything pink. Pay inequality just confirms that. Woman that is financially depended on her violent partner is less likely to get out of the situation.