topic Re: where is freedom in Community Spirit

where is freedom

wilk1149 — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 01:00:42 GMT

The only way to even try to maintain freedom is to not let them take away your firearms. How many free countries disallow its citizens to own firearms.

Re: where is freedom

***super_nova*** — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 01:05:11 GMT

I also want to be free from threat by all sorts of nutters with guns. All civilized countries have system of licensing guns and gun owners.

Re: where is freedom

azureline** — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 01:06:13 GMT

That's freedom?

why do we need them?

I live in suburbia, have no need for a gun any longer and don't do gun sports..............

Those days are gone, it's not the wild west.

Re: where is freedom

lind9650 — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 01:06:29 GMT

I would prefer a world without weapons at all.

Peace on Earth.

Erica

Re: where is freedom

pct001wine — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 01:06:37 GMT

@wilk1149 wrote:
The only way to even try to maintain freedom is to not let them take away your firearms. How many free countries disallow its citizens to own firearms.

I don't know, how many "free" countries disallow their citizens to own firearms ? Australia doesn't.

Re: where is freedom

aps1080 — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 01:08:18 GMT

That's why we need to curtail the UN and everything it stands for.

And at the same time the do gooders who run it as they are trying to take our freedom away from us.

Re: where is freedom

harley_babes_hoard — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 01:13:10 GMT

@***super_nova*** wrote:
I also want to be free from threat by all sorts of nutters with guns. All civilized countries have system of licensing guns and gun owners.

Gun laws are a joke really. The responsible gun owners handed in their guns (or got registered) and the criminals hung onto them. The nutters who use these guns are the ones that didn't hand them in.

Re: where is freedom

pct001wine — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 01:13:38 GMT

@***super_nova*** wrote:
I also want to be free from threat by all sorts of nutters with guns. All civilized countries have system of licensing guns and gun owners.

I guess that would make the USA uncivilized then

"open carry" lol

Re: where is freedom

azureline** — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 01:15:12 GMT

My younger brother committed suicide with a licensed and registered gun

My older cousin committed suicide with a licensed and registered gun

My younger cousin committed suicide with a licensed and registered gun

My uncle committed suicide with a licensed and registered gun

All 4 of them thought they needed the guns, they lived on farms. I wish someone had taken away their freedom.............and we wouldn't be still dealing with the trauma.

Re: where is freedom

aps1080 — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 01:23:08 GMT

Azure

As much as I hate to see that, people who CS will find other ways to achieve the end result if firearms are not available.

Re: where is freedom

***super_nova*** — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 01:29:03 GMT

@pct001wine wrote:
@***super_nova*** wrote:
I also want to be free from threat by all sorts of nutters with guns. All civilized countries have system of licensing guns and gun owners.
I guess that would make the USA uncivilized then
"open carry" lol

Well, .......... you said it.

Re: where is freedom

myoclon1cjerk — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 01:31:30 GMT

If we were really free,we'd all be allowed to own daisy cutters,Bouncing Betty's and a supply of Sarin.All for personal safety,of course.

Re: where is freedom

***super_nova*** — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 01:35:45 GMT

@harley_babes_hoard wrote:
@***super_nova*** wrote:
I also want to be free from threat by all sorts of nutters with guns. All civilized countries have system of licensing guns and gun owners.
Gun laws are a joke really. The responsible gun owners handed in their guns (or got registered) and the criminals hung onto them. The nutters who use these guns are the ones that didn't hand them in.

With the licensing came requirements of how to keep guns = under lock. That makes it less likely of guns being stolen. If anybody has unlicensed gun, it can be confiscated. And they are. Of-course, it will never be perfect and guns along with drugs are going to be smuggled in, but generally it is more difficult to get a weapon, when there are restriction and whn there is less of wapons in the country. Real professional criminal usually only shoot each other.

Re: where is freedom

aps1080 — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 01:38:29 GMT

If we were really free,we'd all be allowed to own daisy cutters,Bouncing Betty's and a supply of Sarin.All for personal safety,of course.

Make your own (except maybe daisy cutters) but BB's, Claymores, Sarin can all be made.

Claymores are better than BB's !!!

Re: where is freedom

lloydslights — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 01:39:44 GMT

DEB

Re: where is freedom

boris1gary — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 01:40:34 GMT

There is a Freedom shop about 3ks from my house, think there is quite a few of them about. The notion that freedom has anything to do with carrying weapons is ridiculous. Freedom from poverty, freedom to access public health - freedom not to be shot by the coppers because your black - focus on those three things and the US might have a better chance of surviving.

Re: where is freedom

harley_babes_hoard — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 01:57:25 GMT

they don't need to steal licenced guns there are plenty on the black market. Pump actions etc were never going to be registered guns. If you were that way inclined you could get a gun pretty easily.

heres a little story how our gun laws don't work. My hubby has been a gun owner since a teenager. Last april the police paid me a visit asking for hubby I told them he wasn't due home for a month. When he got home he rang the cops and they told him his gun licence had expired (we didn't know), because it had been expired for over a month he had to go through the whole rego process again. We go to the cop shop say we have guns and expired licence we ask if they want us to bring the guns in to hold while the process is happening and blow me down his reply was this "we don't worry about people like you" now this policeman did not know us nor know anything about us. so for months we had guns with no licence.

We know people that haven't even had a safe keeping gun inspection, How long have we had the guns laws now?

Re: where is freedom

softail-joanie — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 02:10:47 GMT

The only way to even try to maintain freedom is to not let them take away your firearms. How many free countries disallow its citizens to own firearms.

It's easy to say "I'm not gonna let them take away my guns" But when faced with only two choices both of them bad, I choose to let it happen and am now alive and posting about it. The only other choice would have been a small blurb on the local news where the brave Franklin county sheriffs gave their side of it and with no one living to dispute their lies. I mostly just collected them and had over 10 thousand dollars invested in just the guns. but they took everything including the guns and my home.

When they kicked down my bebroom door and gang rushed me, dragging me out and stomping on me not much i could do. In coutr they painted me as just this horrable person with victims, It blew my mind, I have victims? felt like i was a victim, not having victims. Maybe I made the wrong choice

Re: where is freedom

boris1gary — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 02:24:26 GMT

howards gun laws have worked in Australia, the stats prove it

annual deaths 2011 US - 32,163

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia

In Australia, annual deaths resulting from firearms15 total

2011: 18816
2010: 234
2009: 228
2008: 234
2007: 237
2006: 246
2005: 212
2004: 234
2003: 28716 17
2002: 292
2001: 326
2000: 32417
1999: 347
1998: 312
1997: 428
1996: 516
1995: 470
1994: 516
1993: 513
1992: 608
1991: 618
1990: 595
1989: 549

Re: where is freedom

azureline** — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 02:25:25 GMT

Of course they might find another way. Another cousin used a rope, however the trauma to those who found them would have been so much less.