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NSW Set To Introduce Cash For Containers

icyfroth — Sun, 04 Jan 2015 19:32:34 GMT

A drinks container deposit scheme is to be introduced in NSW within the next few weeks as part of a plan to clean up the state's beaches and parks.

The details of the cash for containers scheme are still being finalised but it is likely to feature a rebate of 10 cents per item.

The NSW Government has been negotiating with the drinks industry to introduce the system and Environment Minister Rob Stokes said similar initiatives had proved highly successful in reducing waste in public spaces around the world.

"The beverage industry obviously has a responsibility in terms of the extent of producer liability for their products," Mr Stokes said.

"But we recognise that Government has a strong leadership role to play," he said.

"What we are interested in doing is working together effectively to produce solutions to a shared problem, which is litter and waste in our environment."

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Finally!

Re: NSW Set To Introduce Cash For Containers

this-one-time-at-bandcamp — Sun, 04 Jan 2015 19:46:05 GMT

A wonderful idea............Oregon introduced and passed a "bottle bill" in 1971, the first of the United States to do so, and in 1974, it was estimated that beverage container litter had decreased by 84%.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Bottle_Bill

Another reason I would have voted for Tom McCall had he run for President.

Re: NSW Set To Introduce Cash For Containers

aps1080 — Sun, 04 Jan 2015 19:59:42 GMT

I go to South Aus a fair bit, which has a recycling scheme. The difference in litter between Vic and SA is noticeable.

The Highways of Vic and NSW are "cash cows" for the kids of towns after a grass fire has gone through.

not sure I like this attitude

"The beverage industry obviously has a responsibility in terms of the extent of producer liability for their products," Mr Stokes said."

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this-one-time-at-bandcamp — Sun, 04 Jan 2015 20:13:03 GMT

"The beverage industry obviously has a responsibility in terms of the extent of producer liability for their products," Mr Stokes said."

I'm not even sure what that actually means........does the cardboard box industry have the same responsibility...........how about the paper and plastic bag industry? What about the tire industry for all those recapped treads littering the highways?

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aps1080 — Sun, 04 Jan 2015 20:16:50 GMT

No, of course they don't.

It's just the bottle and can industries are more readily accessible and "squeezable".

Bit like the UN HRC, they can't hammer the biggest HR offenders so they go after "pliable" Western Governments

that are susceptible to media, publicity and public opinion !!! LOL

Re: NSW Set To Introduce Cash For Containers

this-one-time-at-bandcamp — Sun, 04 Jan 2015 20:20:15 GMT

If you read that Wiki article, it seems like half of the Western Hemisphere was lined up against Oregon when they were introducing that bill...........even bribes were offered.

Re: NSW Set To Introduce Cash For Containers

aps1080 — Sun, 04 Jan 2015 20:27:37 GMT

The NT had a bit of a hiccup when they introduced the scheme. A scheme well needed up there IMHO.

From Wiki

"The Northern Territory introduced a container deposit scheme similar to South Australia's from 3 January 2012.[7] This was challenged in the Federal Court by Coca-Cola Amatil, Schweppes Australia and Lion Pty Ltd and ceased on the 4th of March 2013.[8] Immediately after the Federal Court loss, the NT government stepped in to personally keep the scheme going until such time as a permanent exemption to the Mutual Recognition Act could be secured. On the 7th of August 2013 the Federal Executive Council (ExCo) ratified the permanent exemption making the NT container deposit scheme permanent"

A media article about it

http://theconversation.com/coke-chokes-the-nt-container-deposit-scheme-12744

You could make some good money if you had the time on your hands !

Re: NSW Set To Introduce Cash For Containers

icyfroth — Sun, 04 Jan 2015 20:57:04 GMT

@aps1080 wrote:

I go to South Aus a fair bit, which has a recycling scheme. The difference in litter between Vic and SA is noticeable.

The Highways of Vic and NSW are "cash cows" for the kids of towns after a grass fire has gone through.

not sure I like this attitude
"The beverage industry obviously has a responsibility in terms of the extent of producer liability for their products," Mr Stokes said."

why?

Re: NSW Set To Introduce Cash For Containers

this-one-time-at-bandcamp — Sun, 04 Jan 2015 21:03:56 GMT

Icy, can you explain what that means?

Re: NSW Set To Introduce Cash For Containers

aps1080 — Sun, 04 Jan 2015 21:11:02 GMT

I think it means that the are implying that a manufacturer has responsibility for

cleaning up the mess left by goods they have made, or the packaging.

Happy to hear other people's interpretations of it.

Icy

Why ?

Why should it be lumped on the manufacturer of soft drink / alcoholic drinks ?

Do they lump it on car manufacturers to get rid of all old cars at EOL ?

Re: NSW Set To Introduce Cash For Containers

icyfroth — Sun, 04 Jan 2015 21:14:28 GMT

To my way of thinking, it means the beverage industry needs to address the amount of litter and environmental damage the bottles, cans and containers cause that they market their drinks in. Not leave it up to the government (taxpayer) to clean up their mess.

I would go one step further and extend that to all manufacturers and distributors of disposable containers.

Cars and toys also.

Plastic bags.

Those helium balloons were so fond of releasing into the atmosphere.

Re: NSW Set To Introduce Cash For Containers

aps1080 — Sun, 04 Jan 2015 21:12:49 GMT

We had a big push 20+ years ago in Melbourne re paper recycling.
It only took 3 months before (I think) Visy said enough, stop, we can't store any more paper and can't recycle it fast enough.

It needs to be a cradle to grave process where you have the capacity at all stages of life to handle it.

Re: NSW Set To Introduce Cash For Containers

aps1080 — Sun, 04 Jan 2015 21:14:23 GMT

"Not leave it up to the government (taxpayer) to clean up their mess."

Since when has the Gov't cleaned up the mess ?

We as tax payers pay the council to do it.

Re: NSW Set To Introduce Cash For Containers

icyfroth — Sun, 04 Jan 2015 21:16:23 GMT

@aps1080 wrote:

"Not leave it up to the government (taxpayer) to clean up their mess."

Since when has the Gov't cleaned up the mess ?

We as tax payers pay the council to do it.

Sorry but I can't agree with you in this.

Re: NSW Set To Introduce Cash For Containers

this-one-time-at-bandcamp — Sun, 04 Jan 2015 21:16:49 GMT

Sometimes I tend to over-toot Oregon's horn, but can you blame me?

Oregon........first with the bottle bill.

Oregon........first state to make beaches accessible to all*.

Oregon........first state to enact "Death with Dignity" law.

Oregon........first to have one-way streets.

Oregon........first to coin the phrase, "Jesus, Girls, and Marcus Mariota".

*each time private beachfront land becomes available, the state buys it.

Oh, and the University of Oregon Ducks absolutely crushed the Florida State Universtiy Seminoles, 59-20 to earn a spot in the NCAA college football championship.

Re: NSW Set To Introduce Cash For Containers

aps1080 — Sun, 04 Jan 2015 21:34:18 GMT

Icy

Not a problem.

But I don't understand why you say the Gov't currently cleans up the mess ????

Re: NSW Set To Introduce Cash For Containers

this-one-time-at-bandcamp — Sun, 04 Jan 2015 21:38:39 GMT

Well said...........you'll note that every time a bill like this comes up for a vote, leading the antagonists is the beverage and container manufacturers. For some reason, they want to convince the public that having to pay a deposit will kill any desire to purchase the product, despite continuing evidence that this is a fallacy.

In Oregon, we have two other methods of capturing litter. A large number of roads are "adopted" by various individuals, families, clubs and businesses, where they take the responsibility for clean up of their section (usually a couple of miles). They go out semi-annually and collect.......

Additionally, low-risk city and county jail prisoners are frequently assigned to clean up sections of roadway.

Re: NSW Set To Introduce Cash For Containers

aps1080 — Sun, 04 Jan 2015 21:42:13 GMT

this-one-time-at-bandcamp wrote:you'll note that every time a bill like this comes up for a vote, leading the antagonists is the beverage and container manufacturers. For some reason, they want to convince the public that having to pay a deposit will kill any desire to purchase the product, despite continuing evidence that this is a fallacy.

Agree withn this, the NT example is a good one.

I am all for a scheme, I just don't like the attitude that it is the beverage industries responsibility only.

Re: NSW Set To Introduce Cash For Containers

this-one-time-at-bandcamp — Sun, 04 Jan 2015 21:50:11 GMT

I am all for a scheme, I just don't like the attitude that it is the beverage industries responsibility only.

I'm not sure he was inferring that, drongos who toss their stubbies and Macca rubbish out the windows have an even greater responsibility..........it's kinda like blaming Smith and Wesson when your drunken neighbor guns down the postie, thinking he was you.

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donnashuggy — Sun, 04 Jan 2015 21:56:22 GMT

When I was little we used to collect bottles to buy lollies, it was the best fun. Maybe this scheme may clear a bit of rubbish out of that dreaded 🙂 house in Bondi.