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Freedom Of Speech - Rights And Responsibilities

the_great_she_elephant — Tue, 13 Jan 2015 03:46:43 GMT

If we, as a society, accept the concept of freedom of speech, should we also accept the concept that there is a line which must not be crossed, and if so, where do we draw that line?

Re: Freedom Of Speech - Rights And Responsibilities

poddster — Tue, 13 Jan 2015 03:56:27 GMT

There is a line which each individual will not cross, however that line varies for each individual and gives an insight into that persons psyche.

Re: Freedom Of Speech - Rights And Responsibilities

siggie-reported-by-alarmists — Tue, 13 Jan 2015 04:12:25 GMT

Freedom of speech means exactly that.

Some might choose to draw a line...... others might not.

Re: Freedom Of Speech - Rights And Responsibilities

the_great_she_elephant — Tue, 13 Jan 2015 04:20:38 GMT

@poddster wrote:
There is a line which each individual will not cross, however that line varies for each individual and gives an insight into that persons psyche.

So, in other words, you believe there should be no line agreed to by society any individual or organisation should be free to publish anything they like, no matter how derogatory or inflammatory?

Re: Freedom Of Speech - Rights And Responsibilities

Anonymous — Tue, 13 Jan 2015 04:29:30 GMT

@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
If we, as a society, accept the concept of freedom of speech, should we also accept the concept that there is a line which must not be crossed, and if so, where do we draw that line?

the obvious ones would have to be

racial discrimination, defamation, any

material that can harm children ?

Re: Freedom Of Speech - Rights And Responsibilities

cherry*135 — Tue, 13 Jan 2015 08:01:29 GMT

Freedom of Expression

Moral and ethical constraints.

example of crossing the line:

Sydney University Liberal Club

Jones was cited as saying, in reference to Prime Minister Julia Gillard's recently deceased father, John Gillard, "The old man recently died a few weeks ago of shame. To think that he had a daughter who told lies every time she stood for parliament".

At the same event, the Club was auctioning a jacket made from chaff bags, autographed by Alan Jones, a reference to his previous comments on radio that Julia Gillard should be "put into a chaff bag and thrown into the sea".

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott described Jones's comments as "wrong and offensive".

Re: Freedom Of Speech - Rights And Responsibilities

poddster — Tue, 13 Jan 2015 08:59:45 GMT

@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
@poddster wrote:
There is a line which each individual will not cross, however that line varies for each individual and gives an insight into that persons psyche.
So, in other words, you believe there should be no line agreed to by society any individual or organisation should be free to publish anything they like, no matter how derogatory or inflammatory?

She el, I said nothing of the sort. You profess to be a word smith yet you don't seem to have the ability to read what is clearly stated and prefer to attempt to put words in my mouth, shame on you 🙂

Re: Freedom Of Speech - Rights And Responsibilities

donnashuggy — Tue, 13 Jan 2015 09:03:18 GMT

@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
If we, as a society, accept the concept of freedom of speech, should we also accept the concept that there is a line which must not be crossed, and if so, where do we draw that line?

You can't draw the line I don't think.

Re: Freedom Of Speech - Rights And Responsibilities

nevynreally — Tue, 13 Jan 2015 09:05:35 GMT

@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
If we, as a society, accept the concept of freedom of speech, should we also accept the concept that there is a line which must not be crossed, and if so, where do we draw that line?

Which society? The ones who live and let live? Or the ones who keep pushing their views on everyone else?

Oh, wait. Is this about this forum?

Re: Freedom Of Speech - Rights And Responsibilities

donnashuggy — Tue, 13 Jan 2015 09:07:35 GMT

@nevynreally wrote:
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
If we, as a society, accept the concept of freedom of speech, should we also accept the concept that there is a line which must not be crossed, and if so, where do we draw that line?
Which society? The ones who live and let live? Or the ones who keep pushing their views on everyone else?

Oh, wait. Is this about this forum?

It may not be about this forum (I am guessing though) however we all have different boundaries no matter what society we live in?

Re: Freedom Of Speech - Rights And Responsibilities

poddster — Tue, 13 Jan 2015 09:11:01 GMT

Are you feeling OK Donna?

You seem to be agreeing with me for once 🙂

Re: Freedom Of Speech - Rights And Responsibilities

nevynreally — Tue, 13 Jan 2015 09:11:04 GMT

@donnashuggy wrote:

Oh, wait. Is this about this forum?
It may not be about this forum (I am guessing though) however we all have different boundaries no matter what society we live in?

You know what?

Firstly, you are answering for another forum member. Raises concerns.

Secondly, one of this forums members posted that they lost a child. And you all of a sudden start up threads?

You have no filter, it's all about YOU.

Re: Freedom Of Speech - Rights And Responsibilities

donnashuggy — Tue, 13 Jan 2015 09:13:16 GMT

@nevynreally wrote:
@donnashuggy wrote:

Oh, wait. Is this about this forum?
It may not be about this forum (I am guessing though) however we all have different boundaries no matter what society we live in?
You know what?
Firstly, you are answering for another forum member. Raises concerns.
Secondly, one of this forums members posted that they lost a child. And you all of a sudden start up threads?

You have no filter, it's all about YOU.

I said I was guessing, not answering.

Re: Freedom Of Speech - Rights And Responsibilities

cherry*135 — Tue, 13 Jan 2015 10:03:01 GMT

An odd response to your comments donna.

Re: Freedom Of Speech - Rights And Responsibilities

nevynreally — Tue, 13 Jan 2015 10:38:58 GMT

@am*3 wrote:
An odd response to your comments donna.

Define odd.

The sudden onset of starting threads and answering for other posters IS unusual.

Re: Freedom Of Speech - Rights And Responsibilities

i-need-a-martini — Tue, 13 Jan 2015 11:50:37 GMT

The UN definition for Free Speech pretty much sums it up for me - yes every human being is entitled to free speech, but free speech comes with a duty and responsibility to other human beings.

Most people understand the moral line that shouldn't be crossed. But in case they are still dumb enough not to see it, then the community (through government) needs to highlight that 'line' through laws.

The latter is what happens in a civilised society.

Re: Freedom Of Speech - Rights And Responsibilities

nevynreally — Tue, 13 Jan 2015 11:55:01 GMT

@i-need-a-martini wrote:
The UN definition for Free Speech pretty much sums it up for me - yes every human being is entitled to free speech, but free speech comes with a duty and responsibility to other human beings.

Most people understand the moral line that shouldn't be crossed. But in case they are still dumb enough not to see it, then the community (through government) needs to highlight that 'line' through laws.

The latter is what happens in a civilised society.

Yes. But no government anticipated terrorists actions to conform to what they want.

Hitler was entitled to free speech. Until he acted on his hatred.

Re: Freedom Of Speech - Rights And Responsibilities

cherry*135 — Tue, 13 Jan 2015 11:55:08 GMT

Donna always starts rashes of threads every now and then.. nothing unusual about her doing that. Anyone can do that, if they so desire. Answering a question, in the absence of the person it was originally directed too.. nothing unusual about that either... certainly not a federal crime.

Re: Freedom Of Speech - Rights And Responsibilities

nevynreally — Tue, 13 Jan 2015 11:58:05 GMT

@am*3 wrote:
Donna always starts rashes of threads every now and then.. nothing unusual about her doing that. Anyone can do that, if they so desire. Answering a question, in the absence of the person it was originally directed too.. nothing unusual about that either... certainly not a federal crime.

Been here a while now. It's only usual as a distraction.

As to the other poster not being here. How would you know? As a regular forum member.

Re: Freedom Of Speech - Rights And Responsibilities

the_great_she_elephant — Tue, 13 Jan 2015 13:29:19 GMT

@nevynreally wrote:
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
If we, as a society, accept the concept of freedom of speech, should we also accept the concept that there is a line which must not be crossed, and if so, where do we draw that line?
Which society? The ones who live and let live? Or the ones who keep pushing their views on everyone else?

Oh, wait. Is this about this forum?

Which society? The ones who live and let live? Or the ones who keep pushing their views on everyone else?

Both. I was talking about the Australian people as a nation - which I suppose includes everybody in this forum.

Should there be majority consensus as to what should or should not be permissable under the banner of free speech, and should this be determined by law?