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Barnaby Joyce

wilk1149 — Tue, 17 Feb 2015 21:42:29 GMT

Claims trespassing is the same as live baiting of greyhounds. Trespassing does not entail a custodial sentence. No wonder he is a National. Obviously a brain isn't a requirement to be a National.

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grandmoon — Tue, 17 Feb 2015 21:53:12 GMT

The mind boggles as to where he get the comparison between the two crimes.

IMO they both should have jail sentences.

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debra9275 — Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:21:31 GMT

here it is wilke

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-17/leading-greyhound-figure-bob-smith-live-baiting-controversy/6131244

Agriculture Minister Barnaby Joyce has hit out at the animal rights activists who have helped expose the evidence of live baiting, questioning whether they had broken the law to obtain the footage.

Mr Joyce said he was opposed to cruelty to animals, but said activists should not be trespassing onto private properties to secretly record vision.

"You cannot decide to take the law into your own hands," he said.

"Once you do that, once you make that exclusion, that apparently you can break the law for this person, then where does it stop?"

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azureline** — Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:41:58 GMT

I suppose it depends on where they were when they took the footage?

Cameras have lenses capable of filming from a huge distance.

How else would someone be able to show the live baiting was happening?

Call the police and say they are doing it?

I can see the reaction.................... how do you know? do you have any proof? sorry I can't help you.

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wilk1149 — Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:55:27 GMT

These illegal actions had to be taken because Tom Noble was reported twice to Queensland racing only to have nothing done. Greyhound racing is self regulated. Maybe that is the true crime. A political joke that is perpetrated by the government to help keep the powerless such.

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donnashuggy — Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:01:02 GMT

@wilk1149 wrote:
Claims trespassing is the same as live baiting of greyhounds. Trespassing does not entail a custodial sentence. No wonder he is a National. Obviously a brain isn't a requirement to be a National.

I like his views on this http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/feb/18/frozen-berries-hepatitis-a-scare-barnaby-joyce-urges-people-to-buy-australian?CMP=soc_568

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chameleon54 — Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:12:40 GMT

The Nationals claim to represent farmers and rural people. As a farmer I find some of these politicians quite embarrising. Sometimes its just best to shut up and say nothing.

The Nats are still upset from the Animal Liberation, four corners exposure of the mis-treatment of exported live cattle and sheep. The Labour parties populist, knee jerk reaction of placing immediate bans on live cattle exports caused huge problems as the cattle simply banked up on farms as there was no longer a market for them. ( there is not the abattoir space in northern Australia to process them there. ) This coincided with a severe drought meaning there was no feed for many of the stock and caused an enormous animal welfare issue here on Australian soil and sent many farmers broke. It was another forgotten, huge Labour Party mess created by knee jerk, populist policy in response to media, without any thought at all for the concequences and is a great example of policy on the run at its worst. ( rant over )

As a farmer I have actually been on a tour of one of the live shipping boats as it was loading and have to say I was supprised that it was not too bad at all. ( I was expecting it to be fairly unpleasant, based on media reports ) . That does not mean I support the live export trade. We have very little control over the stock once they reach foriegn countries and many of these places are fairly barbaric in their attitudes towards animals. Like so many others I was appalled at the images presented in the four corners programme and cant see why we cant process the stock in Australia, ensuring it is done humanely and providing jobs for Australians . The religous ( Halal ) concerns can be accomodated as some local abbitours are already Halal certified.

As for the live baiting in the greyhound industry........

As a child I grew up near a small country town coursing paddock. Greyhounds where released to chase live rabbits around the paddock untill they where caught. ( they did use muzzles so that the rabbits where usually unharmed, but no doubt traumatised.) This was in the 1960,s and the club closed down in the early 1970,s due to changes in peoples attitudes and the realisation that chasing and killing live rabbits with dogs for fun was inhumane and unacceptable. It seems many in the greyhound industry are still stuck in the 1960,s. and completely out of step with the modern communities views on the treatment of animals.

Another big concern that the four corners programme raised was the extent of the corruption within greyhound racing, where the illegal and barbaric training teqniques where accepted and hidden at the highest levels of the industry and included people who had responsibility for policing such practices.

As a farmer I have to say that I support most of the campaigns that Animal Liberation run as I dont want to see stock that I have raised and cared for mistreated and abused.

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debra9275 — Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:13:57 GMT

@azureline** wrote:
I suppose it depends on where they were when they took the footage?
Cameras have lenses capable of filming from a huge distance.
How else would someone be able to show the live baiting was happening?
Call the police and say they are doing it?
I can see the reaction.................... how do you know? do you have any proof? sorry I can't help you.

Az, it also says in that article, that coplaints have been made and ignored in the past. filming them is the only way imo, despite Barnaby Joyce's complaints about 'trespassing"

Accusations authorities failed to act on complaints .

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the*scarlet*pimpernel — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 00:34:52 GMT

Barnaby Joyce is a **bleep** with a D (edit: that bleep was the correct terminology for the male genitalia)

bit hard to buy australian produced food when he is letting good agricultural land go to the mines. There is an organic farmer down the road from me and adjacent to the proposed coal mine. He is worried he won't have organic certificaton when the blasting dust containing chemicals from the explosives will fall on his crops and contamiate the livestock water. Worst Agricultural minister ever

It seems the law protects the baddies and lawyers will back them up and sue the righteous. Remember that bloke that broke into someones house and their dog attacked him. He sued them for causing him stress and trauma or some nonesense. Maybe the owners belted him one, I can't remember now, I just remember being gobsmacked that some lawyer would actually take his case and sue the homeowners.

Who do you turn to when the law won't help you, when you're government won't help you

Maybe PETA can help with the greyhound industry.

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gleee58 — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 00:57:16 GMT

To Bananaby Joyce it's all a game.

He doesn't seem to reconcile the political game he plays with the impact on the everyday lives of the people who vote.

Instead of finding out why Tony Windsor stuck with the previous govt instead of creating a new one with abbott as PM he just went on the attack and vowed to move into Windsor's seat to oust him.

He is red faced drunken disgrace who doesn't really give a toss about his constituents.

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***super_nova*** — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 03:06:11 GMT

@azureline** wrote:
I suppose it depends on where they were when they took the footage?
Cameras have lenses capable of filming from a huge distance.
How else would someone be able to show the live baiting was happening?
Call the police and say they are doing it?
I can see the reaction.................... how do you know? do you have any proof? sorry I can't help you.

These training tracks are well hidden. I have been to the Tooradin track and it is set well into the large property, far from the road, with market gardens around. But it is not just the distance, and most of the training tracks have corrugated iron barrier around the actual track and trees. Anyway, from the angles the footage was shot, the cameras must have been hidden in the grass on the ground. There is no way that footage could have been taken without being on somebody's property without permission. Although I was once told that that to be able to charge somebody with trespassing you have to 1st ask them to leave, and only if they refuse it becomes an offence.

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gleee58 — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 03:21:31 GMT

@***super_nova*** wrote:
@azureline** wrote:
I suppose it depends on where they were when they took the footage?
Cameras have lenses capable of filming from a huge distance.
How else would someone be able to show the live baiting was happening?
Call the police and say they are doing it?
I can see the reaction.................... how do you know? do you have any proof? sorry I can't help you.
These training tracks are well hidden. I have been to the Tooradin track and it is set well into the large property, far from the road, with market gardens around. But it is not just the distance, and most of the training tracks have corrugated iron barrier around the actual track and trees. Anyway, from the angles the footage was shot, the cameras must have been hidden in the grass on the ground. There is no way that footage could have been taken without being on somebody's property without permission. Although I was once told that that to be able to charge somebody with trespassing you have to 1st ask them to leave, and only if they refuse it becomes an offence.

Could they have used drones with cameras attached?

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the_great_she_elephant — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 03:45:39 GMT

@gleee58 wrote:
To Bananaby Joyce it's all a game.
He doesn't seem to reconcile the political game he plays with the impact on the everyday lives of the people who vote.

Instead of finding out why Tony Windsor stuck with the previous govt instead of creating a new one with abbott as PM he just went on the attack and vowed to move into Windsor's seat to oust him.

He is red faced drunken disgrace who doesn't really give a toss about his constituents.

Given the universal outrage over what was revealed in that footage I think Barnaby Joyce must have a political death wish.

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***super_nova*** — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 04:42:36 GMT

@gleee58 wrote:
@***super_nova*** wrote:

These training tracks are well hidden.

Could they have used drones with cameras attached?

No, the angle the footage was taken it was obvious the camera was at ground level pointing up. Didn't you see the program?

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***super_nova*** — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 05:02:02 GMT

@***super_nova*** wrote:
@gleee58 wrote:
@***super_nova*** wrote:

These training tracks are well hidden.

Could they have used drones with cameras attached?
No, the angle the footage was taken it was obvious the camera was at ground level pointing up. Didn't you see the program?

There were some shots of the compounds from air, but the most graphic footage was from ground.

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gleee58 — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 05:03:16 GMT

I was thinking they could have landed the drones on the ground for filming then flew them back out later.

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***super_nova*** — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 05:26:38 GMT

@gleee58 wrote:
I was thinking they could have landed the drones on the ground for filming then flew them back out later.

I think the cameras had to be very carefully hidden or somebody would have noticed them. I do not think they could have possibly missed a drone sitting there. There was some fuzzy footage which looked like it was taken from few metres above, but if there was a drone buzzing around I do not think they would be going on with what they were doing. They could not be that stupid.

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cherry*135 — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 05:32:06 GMT

Barnaby Joyce is a loose cannon. Here is making a big fuss about trespassing and not facing the real issue.

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gleee58 — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 07:43:32 GMT

@am*3 wrote:
Barnaby Joyce is a loose cannon. Here is making a big fuss about trespassing and not facing the real issue.

That's what he does best.

He's the minister for agriculture and lords it up with the coal mine owners without giving a thought to the farming community.