topic should anyone have in Community Spirit

should anyone have

wilk1149 — Tue, 24 Feb 2015 23:29:56 GMT

Dual citizenship.

Re: should anyone have

the_hawk* — Tue, 24 Feb 2015 23:33:29 GMT

do you know what it is and how it works?

Re: should anyone have

lurker172602 — Tue, 24 Feb 2015 23:36:04 GMT

I think from your question you are not a migrant, and don't understand what it is to hold two countries in your heart. It is possible to do so without favouring one over the other

Re: should anyone have

idlewhile — Tue, 24 Feb 2015 23:53:50 GMT

Thanks to criminal idiots and muslim terrorists that option looks like it will be gone under the new terror laws.

As for holding 2 countries close to your heart? a dual nationality passport doesn't do that, has nothing to do with it, nothing to stop you from holding another country to heart.

Re: should anyone have

donnashuggy — Tue, 24 Feb 2015 23:55:15 GMT

@wilk1149 wrote:
Dual citizenship.

Yes, my husband and children have both. It is great for travel and working abroad.

Re: should anyone have

far*canal* — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 01:08:56 GMT

Yes! I would love to have the ability to travel between my home country, and the country that has become my second home. I'm also leaving a child in this country to continue with their studies. The ability to come back and forth between the two to visit said child, when the time comes without having to worry about visas would be wonderful. I love where I am now, and am amazed at how wrong perception could be. If I could live here forever, I would. That doesn't take away from my love of Australia by any stretch. I just now have two countries that have a piece of my heart.

Re: should anyone have

cherry*135 — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 07:12:35 GMT

Are you still with Defence force far-canal?

Nothing wrong with dual citizenship... not all countries allow it though.

I am an Australian citizen with a New Zealand passport (recently expired so will get an Aust one next. No point getting both as we can travel freely between these two countries on either).

Re: should anyone have

icyfroth — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 08:45:39 GMT

@wilk1149 wrote:
Dual citizenship.

Technically no. You should have allegiance to the country of your birth and ancestry. But with all the migration and displacement of ppl since, well, at least WW1, it's hard for ppl to seperate their loyalities for one or another. And dual citizenship is handy to have, I imagine.

I think, suffice it to say, if you have loyalty for your country of origin and contempt for the country you have settled in, to the point where you actively engage in activities that are damaging to it, you should have no regret when you are stripped of your adopted country's citizenship. Especially when you've only gone through the ceremony in order to be able to claim it's many benefits.

Re: should anyone have

vicr3000 — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 08:53:05 GMT

Especially when you've only gone through the ceremony in order to be able to claim it's many benefits.

LOL

Well said

Re: should anyone have

lyne-flyn — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 09:04:49 GMT

@icyfroth wrote:
@wilk1149 wrote:
Dual citizenship.
Technically no. You should have allegiance to the country of your birth and ancestry. But with all the migration and displacement of ppl since, well, at least WW1, it's hard for ppl to seperate their loyalities for one or another. And dual citizenship is handy to have, I imagine.
I think, suffice it to say, if you have loyalty for your country of origin and contempt for the country you have settled in, to the point where you actively engage in activities that are damaging to it, you should have no regret when you are stripped of your adopted country's citizenship. Especially when you've only gone through the ceremony in order to be able to claim it's many benefits.

My partner has been here since he was 2 years old...he was born in a Displaced Person Camp in Germany....his parents are Polish and he holds both an Australian and an Polish passport.

He has been an Australian since he was very young and the only benefits he gets are a DVA pension...he is deaf due to an incident when he was in Vietnam in 1968...I think he has more than earned what he does get.

Re: should anyone have

cherry*135 — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 09:14:15 GMT

@icyfroth wrote:
@wilk1149 wrote:
Dual citizenship.
Technically no. You should have allegiance to the country of your birth and ancestry. But with all the migration and displacement of ppl since, well, at least WW1, it's hard for ppl to seperate their loyalities for one or another. And dual citizenship is handy to have, I imagine.
I think, suffice it to say, if you have loyalty for your country of origin and contempt for the country you have settled in, to the point where you actively engage in activities that are damaging to it, you should have no regret when you are stripped of your adopted country's citizenship. Especially when you've only gone through the ceremony in order to be able to claim it's many benefits.

Where did you get that from? Re suspected terrorists? I suppose that could fit in with them, but not in general for 99.99% of applicants that gain Aust citizenship.

Suspected terrorists can be born in Australia - automatic citizenship.... so nothing to strip from them!

Especially those in the younger age group teens/early 20's, who are most likely to have been born here.

Re: should anyone have

vicr3000 — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 09:28:48 GMT

Country shoppers who have stated before why they want to come to aus.

Same as all the Eu bludgers want to go to the UK

Re: should anyone have

icyfroth — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 09:35:18 GMT

@lyne-flyn wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
@wilk1149 wrote:
Dual citizenship.
Technically no. You should have allegiance to the country of your birth and ancestry. But with all the migration and displacement of ppl since, well, at least WW1, it's hard for ppl to seperate their loyalities for one or another. And dual citizenship is handy to have, I imagine.
I think, suffice it to say, if you have loyalty for your country of origin and contempt for the country you have settled in, to the point where you actively engage in activities that are damaging to it, you should have no regret when you are stripped of your adopted country's citizenship. Especially when you've only gone through the ceremony in order to be able to claim it's many benefits.
My partner has been here since he was 2 years old...he was born in a Displaced Person Camp in Germany....his parents are Polish and he holds both an Australian and an Polish passport.
He has been an Australian since he was very young and the only benefits he gets are a DVA pension...he is deaf due to an incident when he was in Vietnam in 1968...I think he has more than earned what he does get.

Is he engaged in anti-Australian activities? I'm guessing, seeing he was fighting in Vietnam on behalf of Australia, no. Perfectly entitled to his pension.

I don't see any likelihood of him being stripped of his Aus citizenship.

End of.

Re: should anyone have

cherry*135 — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 09:38:55 GMT

Your other post wasn't clear icy, it looked like you were accusing all people who take out citizenship of only doing so to get ' the benefits it offers' ( what ever according to you those benefits are!)

Re: should anyone have

cherry*135 — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 09:42:11 GMT

@vicr3000 wrote:
Country shoppers who have stated before why they want to come to aus. - refugees? Asylum seekers? That's different from people who migrate to Australia.

Same as all the Eu bludgers want to go to the UK- they have the freedom to move to UK, study at Uni's there etc. Blame whoever allowed that to be law. if you don't approve of it.

Re: should anyone have

vicr3000 — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 09:45:35 GMT

I was referring to AS, not migrants. Migrants tend not to come by leaky boat that they sink themselves LOL

Blame it on the EU, non elected rat bags dictating to sovereign countries. Quite a few EU countries are now questioning
Some of what the EU is dictating.

It will change soon, the UK has told the EU to stick some of their rules.

Re: should anyone have

cherry*135 — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 09:48:36 GMT

icy was talking about people who are eligible for and gain Austrailan citizenship - that isn't limited to Asylum seekers.

You can't blame EU citizens who move to Britain when they are only doing what the law allows them to do.

Re: should anyone have

cmcoins2000 — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 09:51:17 GMT

@vicr3000 wrote:
I was referring to AS, not migrants. Migrants tend not to come by leaky boat that they sink themselves LOL

Blame it on the EU, non elected rat bags dictating to sovereign countries. Quite a few EU countries are now questioning
Some of what the EU is dictating.

It will change soon, the UK has told the EU to stick some of their rules.

Gosh - there you are.

Missed you for a bit - thought it was eBali - again.

Just a question - is it Kryptonite - you never - sleep.

Re: should anyone have

cherry*135 — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:01:55 GMT

Record every hour (at least) all night from late evening to near dawn (not including all day etc)

I wonder how many people there will be in the future that the Govt wants to strip them of dual citizenship, but they are actually born in Aust and have no dual citizenship to strip.. what is the Govt going to do then?

Doesn't seem to be the solution to the whole issue. If suspected terrorists from Australia are born in Australia then it is not a threat to them to conform.

Re: should anyone have

vicr3000 — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:00:51 GMT

No, speed And Caffeine pills