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What About The Children?

the_great_she_elephant — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 09:46:05 GMT

I am amazed and disgusted that in all the indignation over what Gillian Triggs should or shouldn't have done or who said or didn't say what to her, not ONE SINGLE POLITICIAN except, finally, Malcolm Turnbull, has commented in any way on the contents of her report..

She found that over a 15-month period from January 2013 to March 2014, spanning both the Labor and Coalition governments there were 233 recorded assaults involving children and 33 incidents of reported sexual assault.

If these findings are true - and as far as I know nobody has so far disputed them - then what is going to be done about it? Who had the duty of care? who is going to be held responsible. What measures are going to be put in place to stop this abuse happening in future?

Both Gillian Triggs and George Brandis are astute and comparitively wealthy adults able to instruct top legal practitioners to protect their reputaions - but who is going to protect the safety of these children? How many more children have been abused since March 2014? Is a child perhaps being abused in a detention centre even while you are reading this post?

Surely to goodness after all that was learned from the Children In Care Royal Commission this report cannot simply be put in a "don't want to know" basket while both sides of Pariament try to gain political mileage out the motives of the Human Rghts Commissioner or the behaviour of the Attourney General.

At some point -though probably not in the lifetime of this government or even the one that follows it - there will inevitably be a Royal Commission into the treatment of children in detention centre. what do you imagine its findings are likely to be?

Re: What About The Children?

icyfroth — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 09:51:00 GMT

Well...Gillian Triggs herself put her own severely disabled child into foster care because she felt she should focus on her abled children.

So...

Re: What About The Children?

the_great_she_elephant — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 09:54:54 GMT

@icyfroth wrote:
Well...Gillian Triggs herself put her own severely disabled child into foster care because she felt she should focus on her abled children.
So...

Does that make her finding that 332 children have been abused in detention centres somehow untrue, or invalid oor something we shouldn't worry about?

Re: What About The Children?

the_great_she_elephant — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 09:57:20 GMT

I don't give a flying fig about the character or motives of either Ms Triggor Mr Brandis, I CARE ABOUT THOSE ABUSED CHILDREN.

Re: What About The Children?

vicr3000 — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:04:08 GMT

Did you care before Abbott won the election when over 2000 children were crammed into detention centred
And the issue was 10 times worse ?

Or only care since the Trigg report was released ?

Re: What About The Children?

cherry*135 — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:08:12 GMT

@icyfroth wrote:
Well...Gillian Triggs herself put her own severely disabled child into foster care because she felt she should focus on her abled children.
So...

That is such a low comment and has nothing to do with her current job as HR Commisioner..

Other parents make the same decision.

Re: What About The Children?

vicr3000 — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:11:11 GMT

Not low, and if it was, you are a good teacher.

Re: What About The Children?

vicr3000 — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:12:24 GMT

I want to know how many were abused from 2007 to Sept 2013 and what was done about it ?

Re: What About The Children?

gleee58 — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:13:04 GMT

Both Gillian Triggs and George Brandis are astute and comparitively wealthy adults able to instruct top legal practitioners to protect their reputaions - but who is going to protect the safety of these children? How many more children have been abused since March 2014? Is a child perhaps being abused in a detention centre even while you are reading this post?

I can't answer that but I did see a report today about a teen girl who jumped off a ledge? because she had been abused.

Re: What About The Children?

poddster — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:16:02 GMT

@am*3 wrote:
That is such a low comment and has nothing to do with her current job as HR Commisioner..

Other parents make the same decision.

Really?

By the way did anyone bother to determine how and by whome the children were abused?

By their parents perhaps?

Re: What About The Children?

the_great_she_elephant — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:16:56 GMT

@vicr3000 wrote:
I want to know how many were abused from 2007 to Sept 2013 and what was done about it ?

What difference would it make, is 233 not enough to shock you?

The reason the contents of the report hasn't been mentioned by any politicians (bar Turnbull) is because BOTH major parties know they have blood on their hands and neither of them are willing to admit it. That's why they are playing politics over who said or did what to whom and and why.

Re: What About The Children?

debra9275 — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:18:01 GMT

totally agree with you She-ele, the whole thing is becoming another political football. I haven't seen anyone addressing anything from the report, they're too busy trying to get rid of the messenger

Re: What About The Children?

vicr3000 — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:18:43 GMT

Glee

Why only since march 2014 ?

What about those abused 2007 - 2013 ?

What about them ?

Why no report ?

BECAUSE THERE WAS A COVER UP BY LABOR

Re: What About The Children?

poddster — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:18:13 GMT

Abused by who Glee?

Or is that irrelivant.

Re: What About The Children?

gleee58 — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:19:22 GMT

Melissa Parke (Fremantle, Australian Labor Party, Shadow Assistant Minister for Health) Monday | Hansard source

I rise to speak about children in immigration detention. The facts as presented in the recently released Human Rights Commissionreport entitled The Forgotten Children chillingly speak for themselves. In a 15-month period, commencing January 2013, 128 children engaged in self-harm. There were 233 assaults against children and 33 reported incidents of sexual assault against children. The report demonstrates unequivocally that children in our care, children who have come seeking refuge, have instead experienced physical, mental, emotional and sexual abuse while in our effective custody.

This tragedy, this failure of responsibility, has occurred across current and former governments and should certainly lead to a royal commission as the commission has recommended. However, the Prime Minister has chosen to respond only by shooting the messenger. He said:

This is a blatantly partisan politicised exercise and the Human Rights Commission ought to be ashamed of itself.

That is an absurd and despicable attack on a respected public institution and is part of a calculated campaign against the head of the Human Rights Commission, Gillian Triggs, whose qualifications and character are beyond reproach. It is we the political class who should be ashamed of ourselves—all of us.

The commission's report is clear that immigration detention is a dangerous place for children, that Australia is unique in its harsh treatment of asylum seeker children and that holding children in detention does not deter either asylum seekers or people smugglers. We therefore cannot accept that violence, severe mental and emotional distress, assaults and sexual abuse of children are an acceptable part of Australia's a approach to asylum seekers. This is Australia's shame, and we need to confront it and begin to atone for it.

Re: What About The Children?

the_great_she_elephant — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:19:26 GMT

@poddster wrote:
@am*3 wrote:
That is such a low comment and has nothing to do with her current job as HR Commisioner..

Other parents make the same decision.

Really?
By the way did anyone bother to determine how and by whome the children were abused?

By their parents perhaps?

I don't think anybody has bothered to ask; regardless of who abused them, who had the duty of care and the ultimate responsibility?

Re: What About The Children?

vicr3000 — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:19:48 GMT

Podd

Labor covering up what happened on their watch

Which is why shorten is keeping quiet, he doesnt want the truth to come out.

Re: What About The Children?

gleee58 — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:20:46 GMT

@vicr3000 wrote:
Did you care before Abbott won the election when over 2000 children were crammed into detention centred
And the issue was 10 times worse ?

Or only care since the Trigg report was released ?

If you listened to Triggs or read the report you would understand the timing.

The report was handed to the govt on Nov 11.

Re: What About The Children?

vicr3000 — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:20:48 GMT

Gse

The labor Govt who put them in there has the duty of care

Re: What About The Children?

vicr3000 — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:22:36 GMT

Glee

Yes, i understand the timing.

Hide what happened under Rudd, Gillard by highlighting only what happened under abbott..