topic Re: 100% renewable energy is becoming cost-effective, in Community Spirit

100% renewable energy is becoming cost-effective,

***super_nova*** — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 02:06:43 GMT

Advances in technology, and the ambitions of countries willing to harness it, are proving that the transition to 100% renewable energy is not only possible, but cost-effective, too. Investment and development of solar and wind infrastructure, as well as energy output, is booming after a 3-year slump—a hopeful sign of things to come.

http://www.benjerry.com/values/issues-we-care-about/climate-justice/eu-clean-energy

Re: 100% renewable energy is becoming cost-effective,

vicr3000 — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 02:12:40 GMT

"that the transition to 100% renewable energy is not only possible, but cost-effective, too."

Only if you don't want to run normal items every day - or live in a cave.

You still need power stations to provide base load electricity, the wind doesn't blow all the time.

Re: 100% renewable energy is becoming cost-effective,

softail-joanie — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 03:08:10 GMT

Only if you don't want to run normal items every day - or live in a cave. You still need power stations to provide base load electricity, the wind doesn't blow all the time

It's a start. Nothing advances without demand. Theres a reason auto makers and the oil companies were/are worried about electric cars. Not only did they know about the advancments on EVs, they bought out the technology and patients, or controlling shares. Just to avoid what they knew,, with alittle demand creating oppertunity for advancment,, would be too much compitition for them.

The more people that venture into something such as this, the more potintial for advancment through demand for it. The more affordable,, the more people buy into it.

Means = demand = advancment..

Re: 100% renewable energy is becoming cost-effective,

vicr3000 — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 03:11:47 GMT

The biggest thing that will advance renewable energy via solar or wind is not anything to do with solar or wind power.

It is battery technology and storage of electricity that is holding back renewable energy.

Once we can store what we generate cost effectively and without loss, it will remove some of the need for base load power stations.

Re: 100% renewable energy is becoming cost-effective,

serendipityricho — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 03:18:47 GMT

What about ...Tide Power........works everyday-not like wind turbines.....Richo.

Re: 100% renewable energy is becoming cost-effective,

vicr3000 — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 03:26:56 GMT

Well, twice a day for 22 hours ! LOL

If tide power was workable, it would have been done by now.

Re: 100% renewable energy is becoming cost-effective,

***super_nova*** — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 03:46:21 GMT

Advaces in technology are done daily, some people do not keep up with what is happening and instead listen to Ackerman, Jones and Bolt spouting bleep. Other countries are racing towards developing better renewable energy systems, Australia is doing almost nothing and that is the biggest inter generation debt that will haunt our kids.

Re: 100% renewable energy is becoming cost-effective,

vicr3000 — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 03:51:50 GMT

Funnily enough, I don't ever listen to Ackerman, Jones and Bolt.
I might cop Jones if I am in Sydney for a day or two if that happens to be the station the car radio is on. i think that was the last time I heard him.

And I am fully aware of what the is happening in Europe with Wind and Solar power.

Re: 100% renewable energy is becoming cost-effective,

softail-joanie — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 04:18:44 GMT

The biggest thing that will advance renewable energy via solar or wind is not anything to do with solar or wind power. It is battery technology and storage of electricity that is holding back renewable energy. Once we can store what we generate cost effectively and without loss, it will remove some of the need for base load power stations

Yes exactly, but we can't expect to get the best of anything in one fell swoop. Heres an example, look at how video games started out, look where they are now. It took people having an intrest in them, same with computers, the internet. Look at how far the internet came with the limitations of dial up, before DSL and cable internet. Do you think anyone would invent higher speed forms of internet if no one ever bought computers because dial up was too slow?

Its a chicken and the egg sanario and someone has to step up and gett the ball rolling. Otherwise, we are gonna spend up all the coal and oil, making polution and no advancment. then it will be that much harder to find better ways to store energy, if we start now, it will serve two funtions.. One, stretch out the fossil fuels to last longer, and two, give us a head start on better ways to harness and store the energy, and 3, (an added bonus) we might stumble upon an even better energy alternative.

Went to the store, couldn't find what i was looking for, but found something better. Effort often gets rewarded.

Re: 100% renewable energy is becoming cost-effective,

vicr3000 — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 04:24:42 GMT

If they can work out how to scale up NimH batteries (like Panasonic Eneloops) to a big enough scale, then I think it will take off.

Re: 100% renewable energy is becoming cost-effective,

softail-joanie — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 04:44:35 GMT

If they can work out how to scale up NimH batteries (like Panasonic Eneloops) to a big enough scale, then I think it will take off.

They did that a while ago- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_R._Ovshinsky

In 1994, General Motors acquired a controlling interest in Ovonics's battery development and manufacturing, including patents controlling the manufacturing of large nickel metal hydride (NiMH) batteries.

On October 10, 2001, Texaco purchased General Motors' share in GM Ovonics, and Chevron completed its acquisition of Texaco six days later. In 2003, Texaco Ovonics Battery Systems was restructured into Cobasys, a 50/50 joint venture between Chevron and Energy Conversion Devices (ECD) Ovonics.

Re: 100% renewable energy is becoming cost-effective,

vicr3000 — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 04:48:17 GMT

No wonder they haven't hit the market LOL

"controlling the manufacturing "

GM controls them !

Re: 100% renewable energy is becoming cost-effective,

poddster — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 06:17:11 GMT

Care to detail those advances Nova?

Or are you relying on what you have been fed by vested interests?

There is only one power source that can replace the use of fossil fuels, it has no GHG emissions. But the current energy providers want to flog off the energy generated by fossil fuels until they are depleted.

The other aspect of the replacement energy source is that the powers that be want it in the ground so that it will be available to then when they need it.

Re: 100% renewable energy is becoming cost-effective,

vicr3000 — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 06:25:58 GMT

Podd

You are talking that "dirty word", Nuclear

Will never happen in this country thanks to the Greens.

Instead we will just continue to polute the world with gasses while the Greenies deny that Nuclear is an option.

Re: 100% renewable energy is becoming cost-effective,

poddster — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 06:25:57 GMT

The powers that be have coloured it dirty, and their ploy is working

Re: 100% renewable energy is becoming cost-effective,

vicr3000 — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 06:29:45 GMT

Yes, agree.

At least we have an almost endless supply of it so one day it might be used here instead of shipped OS.

And you have people on these forums jumping up and down re selling our resources OS with no added value yet the one thing we could add value for, those same type of people jump up and down saying we can't have or use it.

And, not only that, we have the space to build a plant well away from people.

Re: 100% renewable energy is becoming cost-effective,

poddster — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 06:35:42 GMT

When the fossil fuels are nearing depletion Australia will become the new middle east. we have the resources but can we defend them?

Oh thats right we have been instructed not to develop a neuclear capability, ever wonder why?

Or are our "Good Allies" going to take over our defence of them?

Re: 100% renewable energy is becoming cost-effective,

wilk1149 — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 20:16:07 GMT

What sort of moron considers nuclear energy clean. If it is so clean why don't some of you lovers of this clean energy go eat some nuclear waste.

Re: 100% renewable energy is becoming cost-effective,

vicr3000 — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 20:23:53 GMT

It is clean in terms of output of gases to the atmosphere.

If the Greens/Anti Nuclear hadn't have been so pig headd and lumped everything Nuclear under the one umbrella,

then a lot of the Coal fired power stations would have been shut down long before now or even not built.

Wilk

What do you consider "clean" ?

Becuase Wind farms are visual pollutants as well as pollutants when manufactured.

Re: 100% renewable energy is becoming cost-effective,

wilk1149 — Thu, 05 Mar 2015 21:07:44 GMT

Wind turbines are a temporary inconvenience that will disappear when a better technology turns up. Nuclear waste is pretty much forever.