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Election promises

ladydeburg — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 00:19:27 GMT

What is the future of elections if truth in advertising is ignored., any election promise that has to be broken is a death knell for any government these days after the carbon lie.

Should political parties make any promises at all in election mode? and if not, how will we judge what their policies are? if a policy is found to be unworkable or unaffordable in changing circumstances, should the party be then subject to relentless attack until government is unworkable.

The new political landscape we see now is very different to the landscape we saw under Hawke and Howard.

Re: Election promises

curmu-curmu — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 00:31:49 GMT

@ladydeburg wrote:
What is the future of elections if truth in advertising is ignored., any election promise that has to be broken is a death knell for any government these days after the carbon lie.

Should political parties make any promises at all in election mode? and if not, how will we judge what their policies are? if a policy is found to be unworkable or unaffordable in changing circumstances, should the party be then subject to relentless attack until government is unworkable.

The new political landscape we see now is very different to the landscape we saw under Hawke and Howard.

Funny that.

I've been compiling a list of broken election promises, (all parties), since the late 70's. So far, it's over two A4 pages long!

No sign of it's growth slowing down, either.

Sorry, but all pollies are self-serving grubs who do not deserve our time or respect. Primarily concerned with their own monetary reward, none bother to plan for Australia for the long haul, as they know full well the limitations of party favour - and so instead, attempt to introduce short-term plans to keep the sheeple happy until the next election.

Wouldn't it be grand if pollies were paid on a performance basis?

Sadly, my feeling is that the current crop would be soon on the dole!

Re: Election promises

gleee58 — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 00:37:37 GMT

@ladydeburg wrote:
What is the future of elections if truth in advertising is ignored., any election promise that has to be broken is a death knell for any government these days after the carbon lie.

Should political parties make any promises at all in election mode? and if not, how will we judge what their policies are? if a policy is found to be unworkable or unaffordable in changing circumstances, should the party be then subject to relentless attack until government is unworkable.

The new political landscape we see now is very different to the landscape we saw under Hawke and Howard.

Because the loony nutters kicked Turnbull to the curb and picked Abbott as leader.

We had the perfect opportunity for change with the minority government who had to debate, consider more carefully and negotiate more than any other govt before but unfortunately we also got the world's biggest spoil sport as LOO.

Abbott is not suitable as a leader. He is a sledger, in his owns words, that's all he was ever good at. He's not a leader, he's a school yard bully boy who has a problem with people of higher intelligence, has a problem with women, has a problem with those who are not wealthy white men (or their wives), and the greatest travesty of all is that he has no vision for the future.

We need leaders with ideas and vision for the future. Not pretend leaders who are quick to blame the entire population of Australian for their failures rather than acknowledge their own shortcomings. They are a bunch of greedy, leaners who want the rest of us to work till we drop so they can indulge in the high life.

Re: Election promises

vicr3000 — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 00:39:44 GMT

You are right, but I think to an extent the electorate is partly to blame.

ONE instance I can think of that changed the landscape is when Jeff Kennett got kicked out.

Afterwards, I think a lot regretted it because he was someone who was planning long term

and making the hard decisions that a lot didn't like.

So it kind of sent a message to the Pollies, why bother working long term,

snout in trough, suck up as much as possible and move on.

Turnbull would be one of the exceptions to that, what he earns is petty cash

to what he is worth and what he could still be earning.

Re: Election promises

vicr3000 — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 00:41:26 GMT

@gleee58 wrote:

They are a bunch of greedy, leaners who want the rest of us to work till we drop so they can indulge in the high life.

Really ?

You have the gaul to say that ?

The mind boggles

Re: Election promises

gleee58 — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 00:48:32 GMT

@vicr3000 wrote:
@gleee58 wrote:
They are a bunch of greedy, leaners who want the rest of us to work till we drop so they can indulge in the high life.

Really ?

You have the gaul to say that ?

The mind boggles

Have you sought a cure for that? Or are you happy that it is at least good for one thing?

Re: Election promises

ladydeburg — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 00:49:47 GMT

@gleee58 wrote:
@ladydeburg wrote:
What is the future of elections if truth in advertising is ignored., any election promise that has to be broken is a death knell for any government these days after the carbon lie.

Should political parties make any promises at all in election mode? and if not, how will we judge what their policies are? if a policy is found to be unworkable or unaffordable in changing circumstances, should the party be then subject to relentless attack until government is unworkable.

The new political landscape we see now is very different to the landscape we saw under Hawke and Howard.

Because the loony nutters kicked Turnbull to the curb and picked Abbott as leader.

We had the perfect opportunity for change with the minority government who had to debate, consider more carefully and negotiate more than any other govt before but unfortunately we also got the world's biggest spoil sport as LOO.

Abbott is not suitable as a leader. He is a sledger, in his owns words, that's all he was ever good at. He's not a leader, he's a school yard bully boy who has a problem with people of higher intelligence, has a problem with women, has a problem with those who are not wealthy white men (or their wives), and the greatest travesty of all is that he has no vision for the future.

We need leaders with ideas and vision for the future. Not pretend leaders who are quick to blame the entire population of Australian for their failures rather than acknowledge their own shortcomings. They are a bunch of greedy, leaners who want the rest of us to work till we drop so they can indulge in the high life.

I can see you are a passionate Labor supporter and I respect that, but the topic is about political campaigns and the promises made in them.

Would it be better if they released a fully costed manifesto and read from that and not deviate from it?, would that work? I don't think so because the party in power has control of Treasury and don't allow the real states of budgets to be released before 5 minutes to midnight.

Re: Election promises

myoclon1cjerk — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 00:49:56 GMT

Well,if they want to raise the retirement age to 70,I have to agree with glee.And let's leave the French out of it. 😄

Re: Election promises

vicr3000 — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 00:53:52 GMT

You have to be working to retire !

Blogging on a forum is not work.

Re: Election promises

gleee58 — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 00:52:57 GMT

@ladydeburg wrote:

I can see you are a passionate Labor supporter and I respect that, but the topic is about political campaigns and the promises made in them.

If that's what you see you are seeing through a blinkered lens.

I am not a passionate Labor supporter. Being turned off the conservatives by abbott and his merry band of selfish bully boys does not make one a passionate Labor supporter. Did you not read my post before commenting?

Re: Election promises

ladydeburg — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 00:54:07 GMT

Labor has raised the retirement age haven't they? 68 or something like that, to kick in in 16 years time. Nobody is forcing anybody to keep working and Labor can see the future as well as Libs so they are watching closely.

They will have to outlay their promises at the next election, they will have a full suite of election promises and they will know full well that if they don't live up to them they will suffer the same fate as the present gov.

Re: Election promises

myoclon1cjerk — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 00:58:17 GMT

Labor has raised the retirement age (which I don't agree with).The Libs want to raise it further.

Re: Election promises

gleee58 — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 01:04:19 GMT

@vicr3000 wrote:

You have to be working to retire !

Blogging on a forum is not work.

Well you'd better get a job if you want to retire one day.

Re: Election promises

ladydeburg — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 01:11:14 GMT

@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
Labor has raised the retirement age (which I don't agree with).The Libs want to raise it further.

Do you know the age Labor raised it to? I think it's 68 but I'm not sure.

The govt has yet to get their policy passed and I can't see that happening so its a moot argument.

Nobody is going to be force to work till they're 70 just like they will not be forced to work till 68 under labor.

Re: Election promises

ladydeburg — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 01:13:37 GMT

@gleee58 wrote:
@ladydeburg wrote:

I can see you are a passionate Labor supporter and I respect that, but the topic is about political campaigns and the promises made in them.

If that's what you see you are seeing through a blinkered lens.

I am not a passionate Labor supporter. Being turned off the conservatives by abbott and his merry band of selfish bully boys does not make one a passionate Labor supporter. Did you not read my post before commenting?

Then if you are not a Labor supporter who do you support? It's not the Libs obviously.

Re: Election promises

cherry*135 — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 01:30:42 GMT

@vicr3000 wrote:

You have to be working to retire !

Blogging on a forum is not work.

Speaking from experience?

A forum is not a blog. People don't blog on a forum.

Re: Election promises

cherry*135 — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 01:33:51 GMT

The pension age for men and women born from 1 July 1952 will be gradually increased from 65 to 67 years as set out in the table below.

Period within which a person was born Pension age Date pension age changes

From 1 July 1952 to 31 December 1953	65 years and 6 months	1 July 2017
From 1 January 1954 to 30 June 1955	66 years	1 July 2019
From 1 July 1955 to 31 December 1956	66 years and 6 months	1 July 2021
From 1 January 1957 onwards	67 years	1 July 2023

https://www.dss.gov.au/our-responsibilities/seniors/benefits-payments/age-pension

Re: Election promises

cherry*135 — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 01:37:52 GMT

Nobody is going to be force to work till they're 70 just like they will not be forced to work till 68 67 under labor.

If they aren't in paid employment, they will be eligible for the unemployment benefit until they are 67, which is currently $250approx per week.

Whereas if pension age remained at 65, those over 65, out of work, would be eligible for the aged pension which is much higher than the unemployment benefit.

Re: Election promises

vicr3000 — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 02:53:34 GMT

@am*3 wrote:
The pension age for men and women born from 1 July 1952 will be gradually increased from 65 to 67 years as set out in the table below.

Period within which a person was born Pension age Date pension age changes
From 1 July 1952 to 31 December 1953 65 years and 6 months 1 July 2017
From 1 January 1954 to 30 June 1955 66 years 1 July 2019
From 1 July 1955 to 31 December 1956 66 years and 6 months 1 July 2021
From 1 January 1957 onwards 67 years 1 July 2023

https://www.dss.gov.au/our-responsibilities/seniors/benefits-payments/age-pension

Yep, that was the time scale laid out by Labor.

Re: Election promises

softail-joanie — Fri, 06 Mar 2015 03:45:05 GMT

Alice Cooper for (what is it?, prime minister?) of Australia- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i4EnjRKVQw