topic Re: welfare reform in Community Spirit

welfare reform

dellynt — Tue, 17 Mar 2015 00:51:11 GMT

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/a-tale-of-two-families-sydneys-work-and-welfare-divide/story-fni0cx12-1227265405123

welfare reform 'has to happen

40 per cent of children from jobless households on welfare by age 20

39 per cent of children follow parents’ footsteps and live off taxpayer

12 per cent of children under 14 are growing up in jobless families

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j*oono — Tue, 17 Mar 2015 00:56:41 GMT

Broken vows pile up as Coalition's pledge of 1 million new jobs refuted.

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dellynt — Tue, 17 Mar 2015 01:00:42 GMT

That sounds like green lemons to me

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this-one-time-at-bandcamp — Tue, 17 Mar 2015 01:09:55 GMT

So, OP...........what do you suggest?

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opmania — Tue, 17 Mar 2015 01:10:25 GMT

@konadely wrote:
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/a-tale-of-two-families-sydneys-work-and-welfare-divide/story-fni0cx12-1227265405123

welfare reform 'has to happen

40 per cent of children from jobless households on welfare by age 20
39 per cent of children follow parents’ footsteps and live off taxpayer
12 per cent of children under 14 are growing up in jobless families

compulsory national service for 2 years for all school leavers who have not found a job voluntarily in 12 months

and keep it for 2 years might straighten a few of them out

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gleee58 — Tue, 17 Mar 2015 01:16:55 GMT

Ms Sorrenson was married at 18 and had her first born, Harley, at age 19. She moved into her Lethbridge Park house at age 21 and has lived their since. Tori followed and Kurt, 15, came a few years later. Then Bailey, 5, and Jayden, 4, joined the clan.

So a couple of barely literate reporters want us to read their dump on the less fortunate, in their little game of divide and conflict? Nah, better things to do, thanks.

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bella_again — Tue, 17 Mar 2015 01:43:16 GMT

I think its possibly a poor representation of those stuck on welfare, in that story only covers a partial part of the picture. There is a big push to demonise people on welfare so that the rest of society kicks up against it. I am all for welfare reform but it has to be achieved in a way where people are not penalised, not demonised and not pushed further into poverty.

What we need to understand is why people are on welfare in the first place? It can be life circumstances, lack of employment, disability and other very valid reasons. I think the other issue we have to address is the lack of purpose and the hopelessness that adds to these issues.

The argument that they are too lazy to work doesn't wash unless your math is better than mine and you can fit 149,000 odd jobs to 725,000 unemployed.

So what do we do? That is the question, how do we help people have a better life and enter the workforce. We need to break down the barriers to work force participation. We need to give our young people a hope and a future. Without decent policies it will be one big disaster.

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debra9275 — Tue, 17 Mar 2015 01:47:03 GMT

the daily telegraph is like that bella, I take their articles with a grain of salt, if I read them that is

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cherry*135 — Tue, 17 Mar 2015 01:53:16 GMT

@konadely wrote:
That sounds like green lemons to me

I haven't heard that expression before. Do you mean 'green [sour] grapes?

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cherry*135 — Tue, 17 Mar 2015 01:56:39 GMT

That article needs challenging. One of the Telegraphs sensationalised beat ups. Must be slow news day/week.

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digupatin — Tue, 17 Mar 2015 02:21:36 GMT

Whenever the Libs are struggling for credibility they always try to deflect attention from themselves onto the people least able to defend themselves.

If it's not the pensioners or uni students being singled out it's people who generally through no fault of their own are unable to find suitable employment.

With the unofficial employment rate alleged to be well above the official rate the obvious way to go IMO is create more jobs - real jobs with a future.

More people in paid employment means less so called 'handouts' as they pay taxes, which in turn helps cover the costs of government payments to the less fortunate.

Libs will never learn.

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wilk1149 — Tue, 17 Mar 2015 02:23:00 GMT

Compulsory national service. Great idea. Then after two years you have a deadly weapon with no job.

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digupatin — Tue, 17 Mar 2015 02:27:23 GMT

Plus needing full time counselling for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

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opmania — Tue, 17 Mar 2015 02:34:18 GMT

@wilk1149 wrote:
Compulsory national service. Great idea. Then after two years you have a deadly weapon with no job.

I'm pretty sure you don't get to keep your weapons after you leave the military forces

but you may leave there with a sense of discipline and self worth and being a team whilst earning good money

and you would have got out of bed with a purpose for two years which may have broken a cycle of depression or laziness or

hopelessness whatever your case may be

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cherry*135 — Tue, 17 Mar 2015 02:49:14 GMT

Compulsory military service for unemployed is a dud suggestion.

1. It is not the militaries job to keep unemployed youth occupied.

2. Armed forces personnel don't want to be stuck working/ living with people who don't want to be there.

3. Who is going to fund such a scheme? How many more Armed Forces personnel would be needed to train/supervise these unemployed people? Do people join the Armed Forces just so they can supervise/train unemployed youth?

4. Discipline aside - what useful work skills is a unemployed person going to gain. They may not have the skills/education required/brain power to undertake a trade (mechanic, cook) etc. Being a foot solider isn't going to get them a job. Apart from that Defence force wouldn't want to pay people to do apprenticeships etc, when they aren't Regular Force.

Two years is a long time to spend polishing shoes and going on parade or learning to be a kitchen hand etc.

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opmania — Tue, 17 Mar 2015 03:01:08 GMT

@am*3 wrote:
Compulsory military service for unemployed is a dud suggestion.

1. It is not the militaries job to keep unemployed youth occupied.

2. Armed forces personnel don't want to be stuck working/ living with people who don't want to be there.

3. Who is going to fund such a scheme? How many more Armed Forces personnel would be needed to train/supervise these unemployed people? Do people join the Armed Forces just so they can supervise/train unemployed youth?

4. Discipline aside - what useful work skills is a unemployed person going to gain. They may not have the skills/education required/brain power to undertake a trade (mechanic, cook) etc. Being a foot solider isn't going to get them a job. Apart from that Defence force wouldn't want to pay people to do apprenticeships etc, when they aren't Regular Force.
Two years is a long time to spend polishing shoes and going on parade or learning to be a kitchen hand etc.

I wouldn't expect you to agree but instead of trying to discredit everyone elses opinion that you do not agree with maybe you could put your own ideas forward about the topic - welfare reform

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bushies.girl — Tue, 17 Mar 2015 03:22:51 GMT

Nothing "sensational" about people choosing to live on welfare, sad really......

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opmania — Tue, 17 Mar 2015 03:28:52 GMT

@bushies.girl wrote:
Nothing "sensational" about people choosing to live on welfare, sad really......

and there will be a lot more joinong the que in the future that situation is not going to get better by itself

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bushies.girl — Tue, 17 Mar 2015 03:58:24 GMT

Sad for those who really want to work for a living, not everyone does

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bella_again — Tue, 17 Mar 2015 04:04:49 GMT

No you are right but who chooses to live on welfare? I've met very few, most don't get a choice its the only way they can survive because there are simply not enough jobs out there.

I am thinking that maybe we need to do a lot more at High School level, ie jobs need to be created to get young people into the work place from school or into higher education to stop them falling through the gaps. If we can get this generation of young people out of the welfare cycle a lot can be done to ensure more people stay working throughout their life times.

But again this takes good policy and job creation. That in itself is only part of a solution there needs to be a multi faceted approach. We need to address the issue of no work for those who are already in that cycle. Funding job centres 41 million to do something that isn't working is not the answer either.