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Banging on and on about rights.......

poddster — Thu, 19 Mar 2015 07:28:42 GMT

......under what "right" are people paid to exist without doing anything for their payment.?

Is it just because they exist?

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cmcoins2000 — Thu, 19 Mar 2015 07:36:18 GMT

@poddster wrote:
......under what "right" are people paid to exist without doing anything for their payment.?

Is it just because they exist?

Possibly - more of an 'expectation' these days.

Here - there are 'third generation' - dole.

Unbelievable.

When did we cease taking respnsibility for ourselves - and - begin to expect the Govt. to do it.

Have a child - raise him/her - no - now it means a 'handout'.

Get a job - as our fathers did - naaaa beach.

Etc. Etc. Etc.

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poddster — Thu, 19 Mar 2015 07:46:50 GMT

If you extrapolate that "right" to everyone, where will the payments come from? Who will work so that others can just do nothing?

Oh that's right there is the "Big end of Town" ( you know thw ones that the ones on lower incomes frown upon) and if that groups decides that they have had enough? What then?

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myoclon1cjerk — Thu, 19 Mar 2015 07:50:08 GMT

Then the small end of town strings them up.

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nevynreally — Thu, 19 Mar 2015 07:59:09 GMT

Then we get another class. Both lower some trying to better themselves, the other expecting their existance to be covered by the Government of the day. They are owed it, you know?

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poddster — Thu, 19 Mar 2015 08:01:13 GMT

They will have to earn a living then, so that wont happen.

Do I detect violence rearing its ugly head when the "right" to a free hand out is denied?

Typical, is that union/Labor ethos

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the_great_she_elephant — Thu, 19 Mar 2015 08:07:03 GMT

@poddster wrote:
......under what "right" are people paid to exist without doing anything for their payment.?

Is it just because they exist?

Well, it's an interesting concept.

No unemployment benefits - work or starve. Of course there aren't currently enough jobs to go round so we'd have to do something about that. I know, lets abolish the minimum wage, then more employers would be able to take on employees. No minimum wage and no dole would enable a race to the bottom for employers wanting to maximise profits. Eventually though it would become impossible to feed a family on one or even two wages. Oops! But wait! if we also lowered the school leaving age - we could abolish public high schools - then children could be sent out to work at age 12 and the Government would save millions on eduction.

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poddster — Thu, 19 Mar 2015 08:10:42 GMT

It would appear that the 'Protection Racket" of the '30s and '40s is alive and well, only the name has been changed.

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myoclon1cjerk — Thu, 19 Mar 2015 08:11:15 GMT

Not really.1789.The Bastille

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nevynreally — Thu, 19 Mar 2015 08:14:38 GMT

Happened to watch CA last night. There are many out there like that mother and daughter, so many excuses for not being able to work.

Left previous job because I was stressed, now have a child, have to be there for them (no mention of the father), can't afford childcare, yet mother and daughter and collective kids live in the same house. One could work, the other could look after the kids. But it's much easier just taking the payments.

Even working part time indicates that someone is not after a free ride.

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myoclon1cjerk — Thu, 19 Mar 2015 08:20:20 GMT

CA.Quality investigative journalism.I detect the next exposé on unhygenic food practices or tenants from hell soon.

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poddster — Thu, 19 Mar 2015 08:22:01 GMT

Lowering the expectation level would go a fair way to solving unemployment. Lowering the dole would encourage some to actually seek work.

Lowering the minimum wage would also help.

The population has been conned into expecting equality regardless of education or skill level.

Education and skills have to be earned, they should not be just handed out, in fact they can not be handed out.

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nevynreally — Thu, 19 Mar 2015 08:23:47 GMT

@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
CA.Quality investigative journalism.I detect the next exposé on unhygenic food practices or tenants from hell soon.

Yes, so lets just ignore the attitude of the handout recipients which is a huge problem in our country today. A lot of people want to do the right thing, and really need the help, but a lot think they're owed.

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myoclon1cjerk — Thu, 19 Mar 2015 08:28:00 GMT

Lets just ignore CA,whose only purpose is to reinforce bigots opinions.

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nevynreally — Thu, 19 Mar 2015 08:32:15 GMT

Yeah, like every other TV program/newspaper doesn't?

Like everything, it has it's place.

But back on topic. So it's about making excuses as to not being able to work? Got an excuse so have the right to public benefits?

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donnashuggy — Thu, 19 Mar 2015 08:38:30 GMT

@poddster wrote:
......under what "right" are people paid to exist without doing anything for their payment.?

Is it just because they exist?

Who, specifically?

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myoclon1cjerk — Thu, 19 Mar 2015 08:38:49 GMT

Demonising certain groups has it's place? If you say so.
No jobs is a pretty valid reason for collecting benefits,I reckon.

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nevynreally — Thu, 19 Mar 2015 08:41:36 GMT

I am more than willing to give people a hand up. Do that daily. I have no time at all for those who believe they are owed for what ever reason they come up with. Some people need to grow up and accept they should be financially responsible for themselves. Have a kid? Could you afford that? The pill is cheaper, so are condoms. Stress related? Was it because you actually had to work?

Oh, the pack is out. So much for discussion.

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poddster — Thu, 19 Mar 2015 08:42:58 GMT

Lets assume that you have an apple orchard that needs to be tended.

A small group of people come to you and tell you that they are starving and you, being the compassionate, person that you are, say ok you can have shelter in the pickers huts and i will feed you so that you do not go hungry.

Time comes to pick the apples and you ask the people that you have cared for to help pick the apples ready for the market.

they say "No we do not want to do that" but still expect you to provide food and shelter.

What would you do?

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myoclon1cjerk — Thu, 19 Mar 2015 08:43:43 GMT

Three children...one for mum,one for dad and one for the country-Peter Costello