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Displacing Indigenous Australians

donnashuggy — Sun, 22 Mar 2015 08:50:55 GMT

I'm extremely confused, are they or aren't they?

Re: Displacing Indigenous Australians

curmu-curmu — Mon, 23 Mar 2015 06:50:36 GMT

@donnashuggy wrote:
I'm extremely confused, are they or aren't they?

Oops...sorry Donna. I thought you said REplacing Indigenous Australians!

I was going to ask with what...but now I won't.

Re: Displacing Indigenous Australians

donnashuggy — Mon, 23 Mar 2015 07:59:25 GMT

Well I guess we'll find out sooner or later

Re: Displacing Indigenous Australians

rabbitearbandicoot — Mon, 23 Mar 2015 08:19:01 GMT

Que?

Re: Displacing Indigenous Australians

curmu-curmu — Mon, 23 Mar 2015 09:45:48 GMT

@donnashuggy wrote:
Well I guess we'll find out sooner or later

A little more contxet wouldn't go astray...there are truly many angles on such a sweeping statement.

Re: Displacing Indigenous Australians

lind9650 — Mon, 23 Mar 2015 10:16:52 GMT

Donna, indigenous people have been displaced since Captain Cook and his cronies set foot on this land.

All our build-up areas, cities and towns were once occupied by different tribes of native people.

Erica

Re: Displacing Indigenous Australians

i-need-a-martini — Mon, 23 Mar 2015 10:47:26 GMT

@donnashuggy wrote:
I'm extremely confused, are they or aren't they?

The problem is that the Federal Govt has cut funding as of next year and the states will have to find their own funding.

Not a major issue for states like NSW where indigenous communities are relatively well serviced and there aren't that many of them (relatively speaking).

But in states like WA where there are more communities and they are spread out further dut to the size of the state, the state govts have already said that once the Federal Govt dries up, then they are not prepared to fund them.

So while the state Premiers are saying they have no choice as they won't have the money, Abbott is saying indigenous people won't be moved from their traditional lands and Scullion is saying he doesn't understand why state leaders are saying they need to close these communities down.

Obviously the latter two politicians are complete dumbnuts to think that they can take away essential funding and expect life to carry on as normal.

Re: Displacing Indigenous Australians

donnashuggy — Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:51:04 GMT

I apologise if I was not clear, I watched Coling Barnett saying he was not to protestors, why are they demonstrating if they are not closing down remote communities http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/aboriginal-community-closure-intense-rally-at-parliament-house-20150319-1m30d0.html

Re: Displacing Indigenous Australians

donnashuggy — Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:52:49 GMT

Specifically this:

"I actually applaud you for coming here today.

"Can I say to you no Aboriginal people will be forced from their lands...no Aborginal people will be forced from their communities.

"People will not be forced from their tradtional lands."

Re: Displacing Indigenous Australians

donnashuggy — Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:58:25 GMT

http://dezirestudios.com.au/blog/the-good-in-closing-remote-communities/

Re: Displacing Indigenous Australians

softail-joanie — Mon, 23 Mar 2015 22:11:31 GMT

K Chat- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEcWGjnPn9U

Re: Displacing Indigenous Australians

lurker172602 — Mon, 23 Mar 2015 22:19:18 GMT

My guess Donna, is that in polly speak there is a difference between forcing them out at gun point and starving them out. If they leave "voluntarily" (because there are no services) there can't be blood on his hands.

Just my cynical take on it.

Re: Displacing Indigenous Australians

*mrgrizz* — Mon, 23 Mar 2015 22:48:40 GMT

they can stay where ever they wish, just the funding is being withdrawn.....as in pay for it yourself

Re: Displacing Indigenous Australians

donnashuggy — Mon, 23 Mar 2015 22:57:44 GMT

@*mrgrizz* wrote:
they can stay where ever they wish, just the funding is being withdrawn.....as in pay for it yourself

Funding for?

Re: Displacing Indigenous Australians

*mrgrizz* — Mon, 23 Mar 2015 23:08:30 GMT

@donnashuggy wrote:
@*mrgrizz* wrote:
they can stay where ever they wish, just the funding is being withdrawn.....as in pay for it yourself
Funding for?

for everything. the houses that constantly destroy for starters

Re: Displacing Indigenous Australians

donnashuggy — Tue, 24 Mar 2015 01:41:30 GMT

For everything? That's a bit rough don't you think?

Re: Displacing Indigenous Australians

lind9650 — Tue, 24 Mar 2015 05:24:35 GMT

@*mrgrizz* wrote:
@donnashuggy wrote:
@*mrgrizz* wrote:
they can stay where ever they wish, just the funding is being withdrawn.....as in pay for it yourself
Funding for?
for everything. the houses that constantly destroy for starters

*mrgrizz* I usually agree with your posts, but not this time.

How much do you know about aboriginal life?

Why does it happen that some of them ruin the houses they have been given to live in?

Alcohol, the poison white man introduced into their communities. Alcohol and boredom because only very few can find a job and feel a worthwhile person. More education in some communities is badly needed. Education and understanding of native culture.

The native people will survive without government handouts. They will revert to their hunter gatherer way of life as so many tribes still do, and some elders are willing to teach the young ones. But then Government officials and especially the greenies will forbid this and that and certain areas where the natives will not be alowed to hunt or build their shelters.

Blaming people for reckless behavior is not solving anything. There are thousands of white people trashing Housing Commission Homes every week. Drugs and drink are part of their life, and living on the dole is a right for them.

My husband, when he came to live in our town, rented a house very cheaply. It was trashed and a pigsty. White people had live there. Peter got busy with toolbox, plaster and paint, replaced cupboards, floorcoverings and the steps to the house and made it a home again.

After we married and he moved in with me, the house was avertised for twice the rent that Peter had to pay for it.

So please, do not blame all aboriginals for wrecking houses. They deserve the same help and financial support as any other drug and alcohol abuser without any inclanation to get clean and get a job.

Now, I'll get off my soapbox.

Erica

Re: Displacing Indigenous Australians

rabbitearbandicoot — Tue, 24 Mar 2015 05:49:36 GMT

I agree with Erica

"So please, do not blame all aboriginals for wrecking houses. They deserve the same help and financial support as

any other drug and alcohol abuser without any inclanation to get clean and get a job."

Yes, they deserve the same help ie NONE.

The ones that deserve hep are the ones who are at least TRYING to make a go of it.

Re: Displacing Indigenous Australians

donnashuggy — Tue, 24 Mar 2015 19:30:02 GMT

Seems they had more planned

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-24/federal-review-reveals-192-communities-deemed-unsustainable/6343570

Re: Displacing Indigenous Australians

i-need-a-martini — Tue, 24 Mar 2015 20:12:04 GMT

@donnashuggy wrote:
@*mrgrizz* wrote:
they can stay where ever they wish, just the funding is being withdrawn.....as in pay for it yourself
Funding for?

Funding for schools, medical, social services, communiity services - the usual stuff that the govt is happy to fund for any OTHER community.