topic Re: Why is there a debate about Abortion? in Community Spirit

Why is there a debate about Abortion?

the_bob_delusion — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 01:26:09 GMT

Whether you're Pro-choice or Anti-choice. Both sides agree you cannot force someone to donate their body whether you believe a foetus is a human being or not. Doesn't the debate just end there?

Re: Why is there a debate about Abortion?

*pepe — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 01:44:38 GMT

you have done abortion before - oh and circumcision and probably breastfeeding too.

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evil_akuma_2002 — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 06:46:36 GMT

Why is there a debate about Abortion?

I guess, 'cos you started one?

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softail-joanie — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 08:10:12 GMT

Whether you're Pro-choice or Anti-choice. Both sides agree you cannot force someone to donate their body whether you believe a foetus is a human being or not. Doesn't the debate just end there?

For me it does, I get what your saying, least i think i do, it's silly to put such effort into something that ultimatly, you have no control over. laws can be passed, but forcing someone to actually have a baby could proove a bit difficult. then there's the matter of properly caring for a living being, a child. Are we really doing a person a favor by letting them be born. Depends on who you are, where you are, and the future in store fot this person.

Personal freedom takes presidence with me, but by the same token, i should hope any woman lucky enough to get pregnant would recognize the gift they have been given and give serious thought to the choice, not an easy one, they have to make.

Should they choose to have the baby, i would hope that they put the child ahead of themselves in importance. I seldem see moms doing this. To most, a kid is an inconvience, something they have to deal with, and do so in the most minimal way possible. My pregnant cousins smoked, and it make me sick to see, my sister smoked and drank, my niece, she smoked while pregnant and had to give up her child because black herion was more important to her.

In the shelter, there are moms seperated from their kids, some talk about their plans to get them back. But yet, I can't see myself as lucky to never have to face those hardships. Just because of the wonderful gift that would be.

Re: Why is there a debate about Abortion?

the_bob_delusion — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 10:14:23 GMT

Did you read my OP Softail??? DO you agree everyone of us can decide what we do with our own body? If you agree, then there's no debate about abortion.

Re: Why is there a debate about Abortion?

softail-joanie — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 11:17:49 GMT

yes, i thought i made that clear. and you started this topic.

Re: Why is there a debate about Abortion?

the_bob_delusion — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 11:19:31 GMT

@softail-joanie wrote:
yes, i thought i made that clear. and you started this topic.

If you agree with that then it follows you agree that women can choose what they want to do. Game over.

Re: Why is there a debate about Abortion?

softail-joanie — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 14:54:55 GMT

Re: Why is there a debate about Abortion?

k0llectable5 — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 23:04:01 GMT

There is a debate because some people agree that choice is sacrosanct others believe that killing hundreds of thousands of foetuses a year is morally wrong. I think before anyone cements their opinion on this topic you need to ask yourself the question.

Is it morally wrong to terminate hundreds of thousands of potential lives every year? And why so many?

And the debate follows on from there imo. Anyone heard of human diploid cells? These are cells harvested from human abortions and used in the process of making vaccines. Everyone okay with this?

Re: Why is there a debate about Abortion?

the_bob_delusion — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 23:12:14 GMT

@secondhand-wonderland wrote:
There is a debate because some people agree that choice is sacrosanct others believe that killing hundreds of thousands of foetuses a year is morally wrong. I think before anyone cements their opinion on this topic you need to ask yourself the question.

Is it morally wrong to terminate hundreds of thousands of potential lives every year? And why so many?

THat's not the argument being made here. Supposely your son needs your kidney to survive. SHould you be force by law to supply that kidney? If you say no, the abortion debate is over.

My question is who has the control of the woman's body?

It's a very simple debate. You can't jump the gun and say you're killing another life before you decide whether the women has control over their body.

Re: Why is there a debate about Abortion?

k0llectable5 — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 23:52:19 GMT

I agree the woman has control over her body. Most definately. She's there getting an abortion isn't she? She must've become impregnated somehow. (I'm sure a certain percentage of abortions are a result of rape or some kind of sexual abuse of some kind) but without researching the topic my guess is that these numbers would be fairly low. Where do you draw the line.? How many abortions is too many? Why in this day and age of contreception do there need to even be so many aborted babies? Everyone I know that has had an abortion (a couple of friends) they have gone through emotional turmoil since having an abortion. In the back of their minds is always thoughts of what might have been. Why did they have an abortion? Because they fell pregnant when they were too young...

Surely people havent become so shallow that they think abortion is just a black and white debate. There is so much more to it than just the question of whether the woman is in control of her own body or not.

Re: Why is there a debate about Abortion?

softail-joanie — Sat, 28 Mar 2015 00:51:57 GMT

Madonna - Papa Don't Preach- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G333Is7VPOg

A rap about Abortion- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5WrNGeiGBs

Re: Why is there a debate about Abortion?

the_bob_delusion — Sun, 12 Apr 2015 00:52:38 GMT

Anyways, as I was saying before I was rudely cut off.

Yes it's true. Any human cells have the potential to be a human
Why don't you care about the women involved Rabbit? Why should they be forced to be an incubator if they don't want to?

Re: Why is there a debate about Abortion?

bluecat*dancing — Sun, 12 Apr 2015 00:54:51 GMT

I was still reading it when I was informed that access was denied. I thought that i'd been banned again. lol.

Re: Why is there a debate about Abortion?

rabbitearbandicoot — Sun, 12 Apr 2015 01:07:13 GMT

@the_bob_delusion wrote:
Anyways, as I was saying before I was rudely cut off.
Yes it's true. Any human cells have the potential to be a human
Why don't you care about the women involved Rabbit? Why should they be forced to be an incubator if they don't want to?

Hang on, I'm just going to cut my toenails (human cells) and make a little baby.

I love women, some of my favourite people are women.

And, now, feel free to talk amongst yourselves because I am gong out.

Re: Why is there a debate about Abortion?

the_bob_delusion — Sun, 12 Apr 2015 01:13:45 GMT

@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:
@the_bob_delusion wrote:
Anyways, as I was saying before I was rudely cut off.
Yes it's true. Any human cells have the potential to be a human
Why don't you care about the women involved Rabbit? Why should they be forced to be an incubator if they don't want to?

Hang on, I'm just going to cut my toenails (human cells) and make a little baby.

I love women, some of my favourite people are women.

And, now, feel free to talk amongst yourselves because I am gong out.

Yes and no with toe nails It's possible to extract some bits with DNA but mostly no.

Re: Why is there a debate about Abortion?

icyfroth — Sun, 12 Apr 2015 01:19:45 GMT

Does this mean the other thread got zapped?

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polksaladallie — Sun, 12 Apr 2015 01:35:20 GMT

Your toenails are dead.

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***super_nova*** — Sun, 12 Apr 2015 01:42:43 GMT

I am not sorry that topic was zapped, it was disgraceful to claim that abortion is "all the rage" or as other poster put it "it's fashionable", and being used as contraception. When actually the rates are steadily declining, at least here in Victoria, with peak being back in 1996:

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/australia/ab-aust-vic.html

Re: Why is there a debate about Abortion?

icyfroth — Sun, 12 Apr 2015 01:46:05 GMT

@***super_nova*** wrote:
I am not sorry that topic was zapped,

I am. I thought it an interesting and valid discussion.

it was disgraceful to claim that abortion is "all the rage" or as other poster put it "it's fashionable", and being used as contraception. When actually the rates are steadily declining, at least here in Victoria, with peak being back in 1996:

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/australia/ab-aust-vic.html