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Public Vs Private Schools

the_bob_delusion — Tue, 14 Apr 2015 13:11:40 GMT

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/private-school-education-has-little-effect-on-a-childs-academic-success-new-research/story-fngqim8m-1227303675647

IF YOU are a parent weighing up the benefits of an expensive private school education over the public school system, take note. It makes no difference.

According to a new national study - the first of its kind in Australia - the birthweight, the amount of time a mother spends with her child and the educational levels of both parents contributes more to a child’s overall success at school rather than the institution.

Don't you feel a bit chuffed that you didn't waste your money sending your kid to a private school.

Re: Public Vs Private Schools

artfulcreations4all — Tue, 14 Apr 2015 21:16:35 GMT

Well, over here in the U.S. private education, generally speaking, is much better than public schooling.

If I had been able to go to private school I'm sure I'd be able to spell beter.

Not to mention use proper grandma and punctuation==and all that kinds of stuff.

I also wouldn't have had to spend most of my time in high school running down the hallways to escape a bunch of jealous hooligans trying to pull the hair out of my head and slap the mascara off my face.

About the only thing I learned in school was how to run like the wind in high heels.

I'm really kind of bitter about it if you want to know the trooth;

Re: Public Vs Private Schools

ufo_investigations — Tue, 14 Apr 2015 21:36:13 GMT

If you are going to have success it is going to happen, schools will not change that. The most successful people in the world actually dropped out of school and made billions of dollars. Only YOU can make success happen not an institution.

Schools don't teach you how to be street smart, how to invest and how to live your life. WE have to figure that out.

Re: Public Vs Private Schools

the_bob_delusion — Tue, 14 Apr 2015 21:40:49 GMT

@artfulcreations4all wrote:
Well, over here in the U.S. private education, generally speaking, is much better than public schooling.

If I had been able to go to private school I'm sure I'd be able to spell beter.

Not to mention use proper grandma and punctuation==and all that kinds of stuff.

I also wouldn't have had to spend most of my time in high school running down the hallways to escape a bunch of jealous hooligans trying to pull the hair out of my head and slap the mascara off my face.

About the only thing I learned in school was how to run like the wind in high heels.

I'm really kind of bitter about it if you want to know the trooth;

Lol. You dag.

Re: Public Vs Private Schools

donnashuggy — Tue, 14 Apr 2015 22:34:19 GMT

It honestly really depends on the child. If a child is tutored all through their high school years in order to gain entry to their preferred University course they will struggle when the reality of uni hits whether they go to private or public school. I personally feel money could be better spent on an investment property for them having done it both ways. I have a daughter in public school year 11 and couldn't be happier yet my other 2 attended private school and benefited greatly from that.

Re: Public Vs Private Schools

Anonymous — Tue, 14 Apr 2015 22:47:58 GMT

you forgot to mention the study refers to primary

school children only.

and of course - another study showed private school

kids were more likely to complete yr 12 and are more

likely to attend australia's most prestigeous universities.

Re: Public Vs Private Schools

***super_nova*** — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 01:47:12 GMT

Private schools have better infrastructure, lower pupil to teacher ratio etc. All that makes it easier to learn. It also depends on which private school. The very top private schools add some prestige to you CV. But if you send your kid to school with the very rich kids who get pocket money in the range of basic wage, and are delivered to school by daddy's chauffeur you can expect your kids to have some problems. Also kids that have so much money available to them can and sometimes do misuse it. They can afford any drug they can think off, and I know of one case when kid paid several hundred dollars to local teen hoodlum to bash up her ex boyfriend, who ended up in hospital.

I do not think that the fact that more kids in private schools go to year 12 has anything much to do with the school. Basically, people who pay for private school encourage their kids to finish year 12 and go to uni. Kids from drug and alcohol affected families, who have no support go to public schools.

Re: Public Vs Private Schools

cherry*135 — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 01:50:45 GMT

Don't you feel a bit chuffed that you didn't waste your money sending your kid to a private school.

Big assumption there.

We did send our 2 children to a private school for their senior school years. One had a scholarship (less than100%).. It was not a waste of money either.

Re: Public Vs Private Schools

cherry*135 — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 02:00:37 GMT

My two weren't bothered by children with wealthy parents.. in some ways they benefitted from their generosity.

They know others whose parents buy them an apartment to live in when they leave school, rent free. They know most people have to work and earn to get what they want - they don't get it handed to them.

Although one girl, whose parents bought a 3brm ocean view apartment for her and her sister to live in, both girls pay rent (close to market value, one with bigger room pays more than other) they also rent out the 3rd bedroom.

Re: Public Vs Private Schools

lind9650 — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 02:17:41 GMT

@***super_nova*** wrote:
Private schools have better infrastructure, lower pupil to teacher ratio etc. All that makes it easier to learn. It also depends on which private school. The very top private schools add some prestige to you CV. But if you send your kid to school with the very rich kids who get pocket money in the range of basic wage, and are delivered to school by daddy's chauffeur you can expect your kids to have some problems. Also kids that have so much money available to them can and sometimes do misuse it. They can afford any drug they can think off, and I know of one case when kid paid several hundred dollars to local teen hoodlum to bash up her ex boyfriend, who ended up in hospital.

I do not think that the fact that more kids in private schools go to year 12 has anything much to do with the school. Basically, people who pay for private school encourage their kids to finish year 12 and go to uni. Kids from drug and alcohol affected families, who have no support go to public schools.

Excuse me, Nova, but I feel insulted.

I have raised nine children, all of them went to public School. We could have never aforded private School, but not because we were drug addicts or alcoholics. Sevn of our children finished year 12, some of them went to Uni and became professionals, others entred aprenticships and became tradesmen. Only two left School at 16 to join the Navy and served 20 and 25 years respectively.

I m proud of my family, even without Private Schooling.

They did not have drug and alcohol affected parents.

Erica

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mainecoon1 — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 02:22:42 GMT

This link for the 2014 HSC results for NSW makes interesting reading, it would appear the government selective schools do far better than the so called top private schools.

http://bettereducation.com.au/results/HscTopAchiever.aspx

Edited as I put wrong link in

Re: Public Vs Private Schools

cherry*135 — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 02:27:38 GMT

, it would appear the government selective schools do far better than the so called top private schools.

That is because Govt Selective schools only accept top students - based on their results in pre-entry tests.

Re: Public Vs Private Schools

***super_nova*** — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 02:47:37 GMT

@lind9650 wrote:
the school. Basically, people who pay for private school encourage their kids to finish year 12 and go to uni. Kids from drug and alcohol affected families, who have no support go to public schools.
Excuse me, Nova, but I feel insulted.
I have raised nine children, all of them went to public School. We could have never aforded private School, but not because we were drug addicts or alcoholics. Sevn of our children finished year 12, some of them went to Uni and became professionals, others entred aprenticships and became tradesmen. Only two left School at 16 to join the Navy and served 20 and 25 years respectively.

I m proud of my family, even without Private Schooling.
They did not have drug and alcohol affected parents.
Erica

Why would you be insulted? I did not say that all kids that go to state school are from drug and alcohol affected parents. But the fact is that kids from background which makes it harder to achieve go to state schools, and bring the result scores down. That is why I am so much against the result tables being published; they do not always correctly reflect how good the school is. Obviously schools in disadvantaged areas with kids coming from non-English speaking homes, where parents even if they are supportive can give only limited assistance with the kids' studies, plus some problematic homes, may not have as high over all scores. But that does not mean that individual students cannot achieve in state schools.

By the way, my daughter also went to state school, and got 99.8% score in year 12.

Re: Public Vs Private Schools

the_bob_delusion — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 03:31:50 GMT

@***super_nova*** wrote:
@lind9650 wrote:
the school. Basically, people who pay for private school encourage their kids to finish year 12 and go to uni. Kids from drug and alcohol affected families, who have no support go to public schools.
Excuse me, Nova, but I feel insulted.
I have raised nine children, all of them went to public School. We could have never aforded private School, but not because we were drug addicts or alcoholics. Sevn of our children finished year 12, some of them went to Uni and became professionals, others entred aprenticships and became tradesmen. Only two left School at 16 to join the Navy and served 20 and 25 years respectively.

I m proud of my family, even without Private Schooling.
They did not have drug and alcohol affected parents.
Erica
Why would you be insulted? I did not say that all kids that go to state school are from drug and alcohol affected parents. But the fact is that kids from background which makes it harder to achieve go to state schools, and bring the result scores down. That is why I am so much against the result tables being published; they do not always correctly reflect how good the school is. Obviously schools in disadvantaged areas with kids coming from non-English speaking homes, where parents even if they are supportive can give only limited assistance with the kids' studies, plus some problematic homes, may not have as high over all scores. But that does not mean that individual students cannot achieve in state schools.

By the way, my daughter also went to state school, and got 99.8% score in year 12.

Bragging much? What she doing now?

Re: Public Vs Private Schools

jean2579 — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 04:33:33 GMT

Our son went to public school in primary and private in high school. Apart from the additional facilities in high school the educational standards were similar. The end results of him and his mates who went through the public system are very similar. He became a barrister and his mates who went through the public system became IT specialist with own company and another became a senior government person and another a well known boxer who made a lot of money. As someone else said, it is down to the individual as to how hungry they are for success. I don't regret sending him to both types of schools.

Re: Public Vs Private Schools

azureline** — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 07:21:49 GMT

@the_bob_delusion wrote:
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/private-school-education-has-little-effect-on-a-childs-academic-success-new-research/story-fngqim8m-1227303675647

IF YOU are a parent weighing up the benefits of an expensive private school education over the public school system, take note. It makes no difference.
According to a new national study - the first of its kind in Australia - the birthweight, the amount of time a mother spends with her child and the educational levels of both parents contributes more to a child’s overall success at school rather than the institution.

Don't you feel a bit chuffed that you didn't waste your money sending your kid to a private school.

No, not at all................... it wasn't wasted. However, there is a great deal more to the story than those few things, imo

Re: Public Vs Private Schools

***super_nova*** — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 07:27:00 GMT

@the_bob_delusion wrote:
By the way, my daughter also went to state school, and got 99.8% score in year 12.

Bragging much? What she doing now?

And why not? I am very proud of her, and just wanted to point out that kids can do very well in state education system. She went on to university, did several jobs including being a flight attendant for few years, and now has has a great job in PR.

Re: Public Vs Private Schools

donnashuggy — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 07:37:31 GMT

@am*3 wrote:
, it would appear the government selective schools do far better than the so called top private schools.

That is because Govt Selective schools only accept top students - based on their results in pre-entry tests.

So do many of the private schools. Government selective schools also accept problem children that have been expelled from other schools

Re: Public Vs Private Schools

ten*teeny*tiny*toes — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 09:55:52 GMT

I don't think it matters either way. I have experience in both systems with good news and bad news stories.

We all want the best outcome for our kids but there is no right or wrong way or magical formula. We just do our best.

This word 'potential'... A rock has potential if its rolled down a hill or it can sit where it is and go nowhere.

Re: Public Vs Private Schools

donnashuggy — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 10:28:01 GMT

@ten*teeny*tiny*toes wrote:
I don't think it matters either way. I have experience in both systems with good news and bad news stories.
We all want the best outcome for our kids but there is no right or wrong way or magical formula. We just do our best.
This word 'potential'... A rock has potential if its rolled down a hill or it can sit where it is and go nowhere.

Their happiness is the main thing to help them perform well.