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GMO's

k0llectable5 — Mon, 20 Apr 2015 21:44:10 GMT

Genetically modified foods (or GM foods) arefoods produced from organisms that have had specific changes introduced into their DNA using the methods of genetic engineering. There a two main types of genetically modified crops.

Bt, or bacillus thuringiensis, is a type of soil-dwelling bacteria that produces a protein toxic to many insects. Bt crops are engineered to produce the Bt toxin within the plant itself, acting as a built-in insecticide. Bt toxin kills crop pests by dissolving the insect’s gut lining.
Roundup Ready crops are engineered to be resistant to Roundup, a Monsanto brand of herbicide. The active ingredient in Roundup herbicide is glyphosate, a commonly used weed-killer.

I know very little about this topic. I'm Interested to hear what ya'll know or think about GMO foods.

Re: GMO's

this-one-time-at-bandcamp — Mon, 20 Apr 2015 22:09:51 GMT

There is a third type......the introduction of animal dna into crop dna. Safflower and Carp Emlay and Associates created safflower that produces pharmaceutical proteins by genetically engineering the safflower with growth hormones from carp. USDA agreed in June 2003 for this crop to be grown on 11 acres in North Dakota and Nevada. Wheat and Chickens The University of Nebraska acquired three permits to grow field trials of wheat genetically engineered with chicken genes to produce fungal resistance. The field tests were authorized to occur between March 2002 and August 2003 in Nebraska. Rats and Soybeans The University of Kentucky used the genes of the Norwegian rat to alter the oil profile of soybeans. The test was authorized to begin in May 2003 on an acre in Kentucky and can continue until May 2004. The report disputes industry claims that they can insert foreign DNA into new species with great accuracy, and that the technology is merely an extension of traditional plant breeding. In May 2000, for example, Monsanto disclosed for the first time that its genetically engineered soybeans-their most widely used product, which has been on the market for four years-contained additional and unexpected gene fragments. Just one year later, Monsanto had to admit once again that additional unexpected DNA was discovered in the soybeans. "Despite very visible gaffes by the biotechnology industry, such as illegal corn in taco shells or unapproved genetically engineered livestock in the food supply, it is shocking to learn about experiments that put rat genes in soybeans and chicken genes in corn," added Caplan. "Because genetically engineered crops are poorly regulated and resulting food products carry no consumer label, consumers are all test subjects in a vast food experiment." http://www.rense.com/general44/cell.htm

Monsanto, et. al. vociferously denies that this is occurring.......do you really believe them?

The long-term ramifications could be disastrous.

The long-term ramifications

Re: GMO's

***super_nova*** — Mon, 20 Apr 2015 22:10:09 GMT

Genetically modified plants do not worry me. We all share some genes with plants and animals.

But plants modified so they can tolerate ever increasing amount of herbicides are a worry. That means that our food has been treated with more and more poisons.

Re: GMO's

this-one-time-at-bandcamp — Mon, 20 Apr 2015 22:16:42 GMT

Well, when your descendants grow gills and rat tails.........I'll be in the front row, going, "Na na na-na na".......

Re: GMO's

k0llectable5 — Mon, 20 Apr 2015 22:24:59 GMT

The long-term ramifications

Exactly Bandcamp. We do not know the long term ramifications. There are no studies to test the effects these GMO's are having on the human population. And as far as I know in America the food producers dont even have to label their foods if they are GMO.

Do you know anything about the "bee" genocide from a couple of years ago?

Re: GMO's

k0llectable5 — Mon, 20 Apr 2015 22:39:57 GMT

@***super_nova*** wrote:
Genetically modified plants do not worry me. We all share some genes with plants and animals.

Even though at this point there is no way of knowing what the long term effects of altering the genome of plants can have on a human population.

Hopefully Bandcamp has some knowledge of this subject, but when gmo's were introduced into a commercial honey bee population a couple of years ago 96% of the bees died. Remeber the honey shortage? That was caused by genetically modified plants.

Re: GMO's

this-one-time-at-bandcamp — Mon, 20 Apr 2015 22:39:54 GMT

Jackson County, Oregon, where I live, successfully passed a law that prohibits growing GMO crops, and a state-wide law requiring labelling wass narrowly defeated last year, after opponents (read: Monsanto and cronies) spent nearly $11 million.........

In Oregon, the bee population is seeing a resurgence......in fact, the city council yesterday passed a law permitting up to 3 hives per property plot.

Re: GMO's

***super_nova*** — Mon, 20 Apr 2015 22:40:57 GMT

@this-one-time-at-bandcamp wrote:
Well, when your descendants grow gills and rat tails.........I'll be in the front row, going, "Na na na-na na".......

you better stop eating fish if you are afraid of growing gills. 🙂

More important question is considering that humans share about 50% of their genes with bananas, is it canibalism to eat them?

We share about:

90% with chimps

88% with mouse

85% with cow

84% with dog

73% with zebra fish

69% with platypus

65% with chicken

47% with fruit fly

44% honey bee

38% round worm

24% grape wine

18% baker's yeast

Re: GMO's

jds_noise — Mon, 20 Apr 2015 22:43:00 GMT

@this-one-time-at-bandcamp wrote:
Well, when your descendants grow gills and rat tails.........I'll be in the front row, going, "Na na na-na na".......

And my gilled descendents will be swimming around peeing and swishing their rat tails in your water

Re: GMO's

this-one-time-at-bandcamp — Mon, 20 Apr 2015 22:54:20 GMT

And my gilled descendents will be swimming around peeing and swishing their rat tails in your water

Fortunately, not my water, which comes from an underground spring in the Big Butte watershed......

Big Butte Springs (BBS) have been the MWC’s primary source of drinking water since 1927. Providing 26.4 million gallons of water per day (mgd), the springs are one of the community’s most valuable and significant resources.

The springs discharge water of exceptional quality. It is consistently cold and clear with natural chemical and physical characteristics, which place this source in a "pristine" classification. No man-made contaminants have ever been detected in the spring’s water. The water is low in turbidity, has an average temperature of 43 degrees F.

Until Weyerhauser and others clear-cut their lands, the pipelines were shaded all summer.....the water coming out of the tap was so cold that condensation would immediately form.

Re: GMO's

***super_nova*** — Mon, 20 Apr 2015 22:58:07 GMT

@secondhand-wonderland wrote:
, but when gmo's were introduced into a commercial honey bee population a couple of years ago 96% of the bees died. Remeber the honey shortage? That was caused by genetically modified plants.

It is not as simple as that, although more chemicals on crops can only be detrimental to bees. But bees are dying even in countries where they do not have GM crops. The reason is an exotic parasite, which is spreading through the world’s honey bees and global warming is making it worse, according to a study that shows it will present increasing problems in North America and Europe.

Europe has only last year permitted the use of GM crops, so you cannot link GM to the bees collapse few years back.

Re: GMO's

k0llectable5 — Mon, 20 Apr 2015 23:04:35 GMT

@this-one-time-at-bandcamp wrote:
Jackson County, Oregon, where I live, successfully passed a law that prohibits growing GMO crops, and a state-wide law requiring labelling wass narrowly defeated last year, after opponents (read: Monsanto and cronies) spent nearly $11 million.........

In Oregon, the bee population is seeing a resurgence......in fact, the city council yesterday passed a law permitting up to 3 hives per property plot.

I heard about that (watched the movie Bought last night) I so hope it opens up the conversation in other states (and countries) to at least get some serious scientific testing done (and not these manipulated studies funded by the big food and big parma companies) Independent peer reviewed studies that can test the effects these gmo's have on people.

Look at the increase in auto immune diseases, behavioural problems, diabetes, autism, cancer these diseases and ailments have increased exponentially (especially in children) since the introduction of gmo's and the massive increase in the vaccination schedule. NO I didn't just say vaccines cause autism (we've already gone through that debate here recently) so if it's NOT the vaccines, maybe it has something to do with the massive increase in gmo food that we consume. And look at baby formula, it's loaded with gmo's... Studies have shown that a formula fed newborn has entirely different intestinal flora to that of a breast fed newborn. (about 70% of immunity comes from the gut lining) Combine that with introducing "novel" DNA into a tiny immature digestive system as well neurotoixins, adjuvents, attenuated viruses, formeldehyde. dead animal viruses all within the fist 24 hours of life outside the womb.

It's a big call I know, and I'm no scientist, but even the most vehement vaccine and/or gmo advocates would have to agree that is a LOT of unknowns right there...

Re: GMO's

k0llectable5 — Mon, 20 Apr 2015 23:14:28 GMT

@***super_nova*** wrote:
@this-one-time-at-bandcamp wrote:
Well, when your descendants grow gills and rat tails.........I'll be in the front row, going, "Na na na-na na".......
you better stop eating fish if you are afraid of growing gills. 🙂

More important question is considering that humans share about 50% of their genes with bananas, is it canibalism to eat them?
We share about:
90% with chimps
88% with mouse
85% with cow
84% with dog
73% with zebra fish
69% with platypus
65% with chicken
47% with fruit fly
44% honey bee
38% round worm
24% grape wine
18% baker's yeast

Glad you mentioned that Nova, I was actually going to use that as a counter arguement. The main thing your list there shows is how small differences in DNA can make a huge difference in the way life takes shape.

Re: GMO's

k0llectable5 — Mon, 20 Apr 2015 23:32:56 GMT

@***super_nova*** wrote:
@secondhand-wonderland wrote:
, but when gmo's were introduced into a commercial honey bee population a couple of years ago 96% of the bees died. Remeber the honey shortage? That was caused by genetically modified plants.

It is not as simple as that, although more chemicals on crops can only be detrimental to bees. But bees are dying even in countries where they do not have GM crops. The reason is an exotic parasite, which is spreading through the world’s honey bees and global warming is making it worse, according to a study that shows it will present increasing problems in North America and Europe.

Europe has only last year permitted the use of GM crops, so you cannot link GM to the bees collapse few years back.

Not just chemicals Nova, pesticides and fugicides in general. Do you have any links explaining about the exotic parasite? I found this explaing Canads problem with pesticides and declining bee populations.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/why-is-canadas-bee-population-so-drastically-in-decline/article19735416/

Beekeepers and a growing body of scientific research say the neonicotinoid class of pesticide that has become widely used in the past decade is contributing to the decline in populations of bees and other pollinators. They say the chemicals designed to protect crops against worms and other pests are weakening beneficial insects and making them more vulnerable to viruses, parasites and loss of food supply.

Neonicotinoids, known as neonics, are applied by the seed companies on corn, canola and some soybeans. They are also used by vegetable farmers and growers of ornamental flowers.

Re: GMO's

***super_nova*** — Tue, 21 Apr 2015 00:00:49 GMT

@secondhand-wonderland wrote:
Not just chemicals Nova, pesticides and fugicides in general.

I used the word chemicals because it encompasses all man made compounds released into our environment. What I meant was that pesticides, fungicides, herbicides as well as pollution from our industries, and car emissions are most likely detrimental to bees. So obviously crops that are sprayed more will have effect on bees.

it has been some time ago when I was looking into the hive collapse; my info came from articles published by the Royal Society, and others from The Nature, New Scientist and other reputable journals

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v506/n7488/full/nature12977.html

Re: GMO's

***super_nova*** — Tue, 21 Apr 2015 00:16:26 GMT

@secondhand-wonderland wrote:
Glad you mentioned that Nova, I was actually going to use that as a counter arguement. The main thing your list there shows is how small differences in DNA can make a huge difference in the way life takes shape.

Not really, we are talking about % from thousands, and 1 gene with specific characteristic does not have effect other than its role. The gene that makes your hair curly will not turn you into poodle.

Re: GMO's

this-one-time-at-bandcamp — Tue, 21 Apr 2015 00:29:08 GMT

No, but the gene that makes a Poodle's hair curly coould have you barking up the wrong tree.........

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lloydslights — Tue, 21 Apr 2015 00:35:12 GMT

Re: GMO's

lal-au0 — Tue, 21 Apr 2015 00:41:08 GMT

@***super_nova*** wrote:
@secondhand-wonderland wrote:
Glad you mentioned that Nova, I was actually going to use that as a counter arguement. The main thing your list there shows is how small differences in DNA can make a huge difference in the way life takes shape.
Not really, we are talking about % from thousands, and 1 gene with specific characteristic does not have effect other than its role. The gene that makes your hair curly will not turn you into poodle.

how do you explain Christopher Pyne?

Re: GMO's

debra9275 — Tue, 21 Apr 2015 00:43:44 GMT

@this-one-time-at-bandcamp wrote:
Well, when your descendants grow gills and rat tails.........I'll be in the front row, going, "Na na na-na na".......

that's what worries me... are we going going to be genetically modified in the future from eating this food??