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The Official Daily Rant (on Climate Change)

icyfroth — Fri, 01 May 2015 22:26:55 GMT

Reposted from Facebook with permission from Steffen Pederson.

"The fact is, Climate change is real! Nobody can argue against that fact. Nobody actually does!

So what's the debate?

'Climate Change Deniers', as alarmists like to call us, are people that believe the climate is what it is. It has changed for 100's of millions of years, it will change for 100's of millions more!

'Climate Change Alarmists' as us deniers like to call them, are people that believe Man is the reason the climate is changing. Man has caused it, Man can stop it!

This is my Rant so this will be based solely on my view and opinion from what I have learned or at least think I have learned.

To me, it doesn't matter who is right or wrong!

Man currently pumps untold amounts of emissions into the air, untold amounts of pollution into our land/air and sea's, and does untold damage through mining, deforestation, urbanisation etc etc.

Whether this affects the climate or not is actually irrelevant. We MUST STOP! We MUST find better ways to fulfil our energy needs and we must find better ways to house and feed our growing populations. We must reduce this man made damage because even the simplest of minds can recognise it cant be good for us. Also, we must make things sustainable. Some of these things take time so time is what we will take.

Again, this in my opinion has nothing to do with climate change but if I am wrong, it's a win win situation. We will not be hurt by changing these things.

Creating a Tax to reduce these things and allowing governments to put this tax back into their general revenue is NOT, and never will be the answer.

If governments were serious in their beliefs of man made climate change and the imminent dangers they believe it imposes, they would simply legislate to reduce and or stop these things.

They do not! Infact, by government logic, the more emissions generated, the more money they make. It is a futile exercise about feeling good. They can look the people in the eye and say 'see, we are doing something about climate change' but the fact is they are not.

The problem is, The climate IS changing. Every dollar we waste trying to stop it, will be a dollar we will not have to spend on the actual damage climate change will cause. Small nations will suffer, sea levels will rise, draughts will be the norm in some places, flooding will be the norm in others. We will not be prepared.

While the battle goes on about who was right and who was wrong, people will die. I believe we can actually learn to live with these changes and relocate and or adapt accordingly. todays cities will be tomorrows farmlands, todays farmlands will be tomorrows cities.

We do need to impose a tarrif of sorts on man.

Not a carbon tax that hits some people here or there or makes business suffer but a small levy that each and every one of us should be prepared to pay.

It is our world. This money should be put into an international climate fund that should be used as the climate changes more and more.

The truth is, we don't know which way the world will change so is hard to plan ahead. This money would be needed more as reactionary measure. western nations could and should be preparing for what we believe will happen through future planning anyway so this money would not be needed by those that can prepare for it themselves.

There are, however many nations that do not stand a chance against whatever climate change brings. This is where this money will be needed. If the climate doesn't change dramatically for many years, this fund would grow to great proportions. We can help those that cannot help themselves.

I don't know all the answers to this but going on our current path of taxing emissions and putting the taxes into general revenue for me is NOT the answer. we are being played for suckers. My post is not trying to say I have the answers, it is trying to change the current climate debate questions. I have no doubt there are many other who have great ideas about how an ever changing world can be adapted to suit our wants and needs. We are a resilient lot."

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I so agree with this post.

Yes, Earth's climate is in natural constant change. We know that.

Human industrial activity is causing a dramatic impact earth's climate and we need to sort what we need to take from earth to sustain ourselves (and there's plenty to go round) from what is just being gobbled up by insatiable and rapacious profiteers.

Re: The Official Daily Rant (on Climate Change)

ladydeburg — Fri, 01 May 2015 22:55:56 GMT

Where's Tim Flannery, you know the fraud who panicked all the Labor governments into building billion dollar white elephant de sal plants because:

"even the rain that will fall into the future will not fill our rivers or dams".

As a consequence of this fools prophesies, no dams were built, dams under construction were stopped and the billion dollar fund Gillard bowed down to the Greens for, to bankroll ideas that could not stand on their own feet, the wind farm, carbon capture and all the other failed projects now lay in ruins.

They are now crying for more money to prop them up.

It's about time a government got to it, did the hard work, got results from direct action because that is the only practical thing we can do, as human beings, to make our environment better.

Well done to the Abbott government for doing the practical things that will clean up our environment and ending the bogus carbon tax, shunning EU carbon bank and all the other criminal entities that got rich beyond their wildest dreams (Gore) springs to mind, but never achieved any results, has nothing to show for all the billions of dollars wasted.

Now we are subject to the "divestment" fraudsters, the ones who failed to make us bow down to the Left's carbon tax, (even though it achieved nothing) now they want to beggar us by boycotting the very thing that makes us a 1st world country, coal, and all the other companies who are connected to it.

Re: The Official Daily Rant (on Climate Change)

ladydeburg — Sat, 02 May 2015 00:38:48 GMT

Rain in NSW and Qld this week. I wonder if our rivers are full, our dams full?? Mr Flannery??????

Re: The Official Daily Rant (on Climate Change)

ladydeburg — Sat, 02 May 2015 01:46:46 GMT

Maybe all the hysterical “ warmists ” need a good long visit to slapping therapy

Re: The Official Daily Rant (on Climate Change)

cherry*135 — Sat, 02 May 2015 02:28:24 GMT

Who is Steffen Pedersen?

Re: The Official Daily Rant (on Climate Change)

j*oono — Sat, 02 May 2015 02:41:55 GMT

@ladydeburg wrote:
Maybe all the hysterical “ warmists ” need a good long visit to slapping therapy

What an odd thing to say. A young boy recently died and the police are looking into whether his parents took him off insulin and were getting him treated with a Chinese alternative treatment called slapping therapy.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-32545732

What does slapping therapy have to do with climate change and why do you think that realists would seek that treatment?

Re: The Official Daily Rant (on Climate Change)

curmu-curmu — Sat, 02 May 2015 02:52:22 GMT

@ladydeburg wrote:
Maybe all the hysterical “ warmists ” need a good long visit to slapping therapy

I could have told them that it doesn't work. Been married for over 35 years, with a slap-happy wife. Still need insulin!

Re: The Official Daily Rant (on Climate Change)

village_person — Sat, 02 May 2015 03:00:14 GMT

@ladydeburg wrote:
Where's Tim Flannery, you know the fraud who panicked all the Labor governments into building billion dollar white elephant de sal plants because:

"even the rain that will fall into the future will not fill our rivers or dams".

I was out shopping this morning and I saw alleged Professor Tim Scammery at the local boat shop. He was checking out a 30 foot boat.

Re: The Official Daily Rant (on Climate Change)

myoclon1cjerk — Sat, 02 May 2015 05:12:56 GMT

Was he with alleged Environment Minister,Greg Hunt?

Re: The Official Daily Rant (on Climate Change)

the_great_she_elephant — Sat, 02 May 2015 05:26:28 GMT

@ladydeburg wrote:
Maybe all the hysterical “ warmists ” need a good long visit to slapping therapy

Maybe the head-in-the-sand deniers need a short trip to California.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/04/150406-california-drought-snowpack-map-water-science/

Re: The Official Daily Rant (on Climate Change)

icyfroth — Sat, 02 May 2015 07:20:01 GMT

@am*3 wrote:
Who is Steffen Pedersen?

You have a wonderful talent for sniffing out the immaterial, Am.

Re: The Official Daily Rant (on Climate Change)

debra9275 — Sat, 02 May 2015 07:49:48 GMT

Well, who and what is he?

I've never heard of him either

Re: The Official Daily Rant (on Climate Change)

***super_nova*** — Sat, 02 May 2015 07:56:35 GMT

@ladydeburg wrote:
Rain in NSW and Qld this week. I wonder if our rivers are full, our dams full?? Mr Flannery??????

Actually what he said was something along the line that we cannot depend on rain and dams. Just because it rains in NSW and QLD does not mean that there are no parts of Australia that do not have enough water. What is happening is exactly what was predicted; the weather is becoming more extreme, we are getting more droughts, more floods, more storms and more severe storms.

Re: The Official Daily Rant (on Climate Change)

poddster — Sat, 02 May 2015 08:20:58 GMT

@***super_nova*** wrote:
..........the weather is becoming more extreme, we are getting more droughts, more floods, more storms and more severe storms.

I disagree, the level of severity and frequency have not changed, however the awareness and the reporting of those events has.

The climate has always changed and always will, it is a much more complex mechanism than can be predicted. The variables are non predictable.

Anyone who has even a very basic understanding of Chaos Theory could tell you that

Re: The Official Daily Rant (on Climate Change)

the_great_she_elephant — Sat, 02 May 2015 08:27:55 GMT

@icyfroth wrote:
@am*3 wrote:
Who is Steffen Pedersen?
You have a wonderful talent for sniffing out the immaterial, Am.

Icy, if Steffen Petersen is irrelevant to a discussion on climate change, then how is posting his opinion relevant?

And if we are to take him seriously then surely we need to know what his credentials are for saying what he does.

For example, you or I (or anyone else here ) might declaim at great length on the efficacy of dandelion tea as a remedy for any disease known to humankind - but without any credentials to lend authority to that pronouncement we could hardly expect anyone to take our claims seriously. - and, lets face it - they'd be pretty stupid if they did.

Re: The Official Daily Rant (on Climate Change)

icyfroth — Sat, 02 May 2015 08:32:10 GMT

@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
@am*3 wrote:
Who is Steffen Pedersen?
You have a wonderful talent for sniffing out the immaterial, Am.
Icy, if Steffen Petersen is irrelevant to a discussion on climate change, then how is posting his opinion relevant?

And if we are to take him seriously then surely we need to know what his credentials are for saying what he does.

For example, you or I (or anyone else here ) might declaim at great length on the efficacy of dandelion tea as a remedy for any disease known to humankind - but without any credentials to lend authority to that pronouncement we could hardly expect anyone to take our claims seriously. - and, lets face it - they'd be pretty stupid if they did.

So the opinions of the general populace aren't relevant She-el?

So your opinions are also irrelevant?

Re: The Official Daily Rant (on Climate Change)

debra9275 — Sat, 02 May 2015 08:34:29 GMT

So he's not a scientist nor anyone who's qualified? just some bloke's opinion from FB?

Ok, lol

Re: The Official Daily Rant (on Climate Change)

the_great_she_elephant — Sat, 02 May 2015 08:48:53 GMT

So the opinions of the general populace aren't relevant She-el?

So your opinions are also irrelevant?

I think you'll find that when I offer an opinion here on any matter requiring expert knowledge I am usually very careful to include a link to a credible source.

And it was you, yourself who accused Am of picking on irrelevancies when she asked who Steffen Petersen was.

Re: The Official Daily Rant (on Climate Change)

debra9275 — Sat, 02 May 2015 08:51:16 GMT

I googled his name and I got... Chess player.... Events planner in Denmark.... Another is a photographer

"Shrugs"

Re: The Official Daily Rant (on Climate Change)

poddster — Sat, 02 May 2015 09:38:13 GMT

@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

I think you'll find that when I offer an opinion here on any matter requiring expert knowledge I am usually very careful to include a link to a credible source.

Like Tim Flannary fot instance?