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Victory Day 2015

poddster — Sat, 09 May 2015 10:37:46 GMT

Victory Day Parade in Red Square Moscow ti commemorate the 70th anniversary of the defeat of Nazism.

The Patriotic War claimed 27 million Russian lives and the outcome of World War II would have been vastly different had in not been for the effort of Russia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcFMuLr7TRs

Re: Victory Day 2015

the_great_she_elephant — Sat, 09 May 2015 10:54:04 GMT

I remember VE Day. I was three and a half. My mum allowed two older girls to take me and my twin sister to the street party and there were lots of cakes and a a Punch And Judy show. But in all the excitement I tripped over, cut my forehead and had to be taken home to have the 1940s equivalent of a bandaid put on it. By the time I got back I'd missed seeing Punch throw the baby out of the window; and, boy was I was p***ed off.

Re: Victory Day 2015

electric*mayhem*band — Sat, 09 May 2015 11:06:36 GMT

Aunty Beeb is making a big thing out of it. Although not this afternoon. Saturday afternoons are given over in their entirity to Sport - with the emphasis on football.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32670639

Re: Victory Day 2015

poddster — Sat, 09 May 2015 11:36:51 GMT

Wreath Laying Ceremony at the memorial of the Unknown Soldier, Moscow

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poddster — Sat, 09 May 2015 13:18:14 GMT

The Immortal Regiment

A reoccurring scene in Russian cities, across Russia millions of descendants of lost soldiers in the Patriotic War pay homage to their lost by a parade through the cities across Russia holding a portrait of their loved ones lost in that conflict.

Give them a thought next time you are discussing WW II and thank them for your freedom

Re: Victory Day 2015

***super_nova*** — Sat, 09 May 2015 22:53:38 GMT

Just about time the world acknowledged that Soviet Union had a big part to play in defeat of Germany. Pity that western leaders chose not to attend the celebrations in Moscow.

Re: Victory Day 2015

ladydeburg — Sun, 10 May 2015 02:50:36 GMT

70 World leaders were invited, 20 turned up. They did not want to be inveigled into any type of tacit agreement or support of the annexation of Crimea and the bald faced invasion of Ukraine and the shooting down of a civilian aircraft resulting in the deaths of innocents.

Putin is tricky and a megalomaniac drunk with power, cares nothing for humanity, but let him have his day but it spoils the sacrifice of the soldiers and I applaud the leaders who snubbed him.

We must never forget that Stalin murdered 60 million of his own people so Putin is a man in the same vein as Stalin, a hard man, a man who cares nothing for sacrifice and honour, he sullies the sacrifice of the fallen.

Re: Victory Day 2015

poddster — Sun, 10 May 2015 03:17:51 GMT

In fact those 'Leaders" were snubbing the memories of the fallen.

Re: Victory Day 2015

ladydeburg — Sun, 10 May 2015 06:56:00 GMT

@poddster wrote:
In fact those 'Leaders" were snubbing the memories of the fallen.

no, I'm sorry to disagree with you but my previous post set out the full reasons why Putin was snubbed, emphasis on (Putin snubbed) As for the fallen, we all respect them and I'm sure the world leaders who snubbed Putin were doing just that, not snubbing the fallen.

There are many ways to show respect.

Re: Victory Day 2015

poddster — Sun, 10 May 2015 07:09:48 GMT

Snubbing does not do anything for diplomacy, there are also 144 million other people in Russia who were snubbed as well, do you think that they didn't notice?

Re: Victory Day 2015

***super_nova*** — Sun, 10 May 2015 07:28:13 GMT

Just as we pay respect to those people who died in Gallipoli, without bringing other issues into it, we should have enough grace to honor the people in Soviet Union who fought on our side and without whose sacrifice there would have been many more dead from USA and Europe. Americans do not like to share the glory of victory, and the soviet part has always been denigrated. Stalin was the head of state, but it was the people who fought and died. And not acknowledging them will not help Ukraine, actually, it will make it easier for those in Russia who claim that there is a western conspiracy against them, and only harden the resolve to bring area where Russians live into Russia.

Re: Victory Day 2015

ladydeburg — Sun, 10 May 2015 07:38:51 GMT

So we should abrogate our morals and principles to avoid offending Putin?

Re: Victory Day 2015

poddster — Sun, 10 May 2015 08:06:19 GMT

Unfortunately history is written to glorify whoever writes it and differs greatly from reality.

Perhaps a bit of history and perspective are in order

Have a look at the casualty list per country

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

Re: Victory Day 2015

wilk1149 — Sun, 10 May 2015 08:44:13 GMT

Lets not forget the atrocities committed by the Soviets against the Germans after the war

Re: Victory Day 2015

poddster — Sun, 10 May 2015 09:26:13 GMT

War is full of atrocities..................on ALL sides.

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myoclon1cjerk — Sun, 10 May 2015 21:10:45 GMT

What morals are they,ladydeburg?The ones we displayed in Iraq?

Re: Victory Day 2015

***super_nova*** — Sun, 10 May 2015 22:38:26 GMT

@wilk1149 wrote:
Lets not forget the atrocities committed by the Soviets against the Germans after the war

Any atrocities committed against the German population pales into insignificance, when compared to what the troops both Soviet and Americans, discovered in the concentration camps, and what the Red Army saw as they advanced through Russia and Baltic states towards Berlin.

atrocities were committed by US forces in Vietnam and Iraq; we just rarely hear about them. Unless, one of the perpetrators confesses, like in this case:

The Mahmudiyah killings were the gang-rape and killing of 14-year-old Iraqi girl Abeer Qassim Hamza al-Janabi by United States Army soldiers on March 12, 2006, and the murder of her family.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_killings

Re: Victory Day 2015

ladydeburg — Sun, 10 May 2015 22:41:52 GMT

@poddster wrote:
War is full of atrocities..................on ALL sides.

War is hell.

Re: Victory Day 2015

***super_nova*** — Sun, 10 May 2015 22:45:31 GMT

@ladydeburg wrote:
So we should abrogate our morals and principles to avoid offending Putin?

Where did I say anything about "not offending Putin"? He just happens to be the leader in this moment, but this is not about him, it is about the millions of people who died.

But since you brought it up, it is not a good idea to be offending somebody like Putin. He not only has his finger on the nuclear button, he is also the one who we need to negotiate with about Ukraine. So offending him is not going to help, and it is only strengthening his position in his country.

Re: Victory Day 2015

poddster — Sun, 10 May 2015 23:07:46 GMT

I have yet to see the West say anything favourable about any Soviet leader.

In fact about ANY other leader if they are not of their idiology.

I will not hold my breath waiting for that moment 🙂