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Paid Parental Leave

i-need-a-martini — Sun, 10 May 2015 12:23:17 GMT

So let me get this straight -

This budget, Abbott/Hockey will be taking away the modest $11,000 minimum wage Paid Parental Leave entitlement currently available to mothers in some workplaces if they also have access to other schemes.

Yet up until 2 months ago, under Abbotts own Parental Scheme, women would recieve Paid Parental Leave at their substantive position salary AND would be able to double dip into other schemes.

How do you go from the ridiculously over-generous to taking things away??

Why do I have the feeling that this budget is going to be as scatterbrained as the last one which will make it impossible for other parties to agree to see it through?

Re: Paid Parental Leave

gleee58 — Sun, 10 May 2015 12:46:08 GMT

@i-need-a-martini wrote:
So let me get this straight -

This budget, Abbott/Hockey will be taking away the modest $11,000 minimum wage Paid Parental Leave entitlement currently available to mothers in some workplaces if they also have access to other schemes.

Yet up until 2 months ago, under Abbotts own Parental Scheme, women would recieve Paid Parental Leave at their substantive position salary AND would be able to double dip into other schemes.

How do you go from the ridiculously over-generous to taking things away??

Why do I have the feeling that this budget is going to be as scatterbrained as the last one which will make it impossible for other parties to agree to see it through?

What is the damage for the familes with one parent at home?

Re: Paid Parental Leave

alexander*beetle — Sun, 10 May 2015 12:58:11 GMT

And.....

Many women take a reduced salary in their contract to allow for maternity leave. So, they have foregone more money they have actually worked for on the premise that it would be paid to them during maternity leave.

And.....

It will only come in if the senate passes the last budget on taking away the Part B.

And.....

It's not going to come in till 2017!!!!!! That's two budget's away.

As if that's not enough, if someone is unemployed and has a day or two of childcare organised, they will have to cancel it if they can't get a job. Then......if they do eventually get one of those abundant jobs, they will have to find another one of those abundant childcare places again. Stat.

You couldn't make this stuff up.

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ladydeburg — Sun, 10 May 2015 22:31:55 GMT

on another note; why should taxpayers pay for people to have children then pay for them to be cared for. Nannyism and welfareism writ large here.

Hear the outright rage and outrage when a hand out is taken back, never mind that the mountain of debt is still there, the mountain that is growing every day, never mind that as long as your handout isn't taken from you.

Looking forward to the marketplace gearing up and here it is already. Whinge, moan, but what about the debt???

Re: Paid Parental Leave

debra9275 — Sun, 10 May 2015 22:53:52 GMT

but wasn't the huge paid parental leave abbott's "signature" policy last year, and one that he used to get voted in?? I didn't see you complaining about that one.

they seem to have done a complete turnaround, will find out more about it tomorrow night

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debra9275 — Sun, 10 May 2015 23:04:06 GMT

It's not going to come in till 2017!!!!!! That's two budget's away.

they do that "it won't come in to effect until 2017" thing so that they can't be accused of breaking promises ( or lying)

Re: Paid Parental Leave

ladydeburg — Sun, 10 May 2015 23:23:49 GMT

@debra9275 wrote:
It's not going to come in till 2017!!!!!! That's two budget's away.

they do that "it won't come in to effect until 2017" thing so that they can't be accused of breaking promises ( or lying)

I never agreed with the PPL of the PM either,along with the majority of the party.

As for your "lying" comment. Labor actually legislated things into law (Climate commission and Gonski) so it could "never be changed" how's that for democracy.

They also only costed the so called "gonski" for one (1) term knowing full well that it was unaffordable in the long term, they used the most vulnerable in the community as a political tool and wedge.

So don't lecture me about your so called "lying".

If you want to have children then pay for them and don't expect the taxpayers to pay for them and also their care along with all the other "benefits" you get.

Just remember the debt and deficit Labor left the country in and try to get your head around the billion dollars a month it costs to service this debt and then come back and start moaning about your handouts.

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debra9275 — Sun, 10 May 2015 23:46:05 GMT

I never agreed with the PPL of the PM either,along with the majority of the party

I never agreed with it either and I said so

Re: Paid Parental Leave

alexander*beetle — Mon, 11 May 2015 00:00:34 GMT

@ladydeburg wrote:
@debra9275 wrote:
It's not going to come in till 2017!!!!!! That's two budget's away.

they do that "it won't come in to effect until 2017" thing so that they can't be accused of breaking promises ( or lying)
I never agreed with the PPL of the PM either,along with the majority of the party.

As for your "lying" comment. Labor actually legislated things into law (Climate commission and Gonski) so it could "never be changed" how's that for democracy.

They also only costed the so called "gonski" for one (1) term knowing full well that it was unaffordable in the long term, they used the most vulnerable in the community as a political tool and wedge.

So don't lecture me about your so called "lying".

If you want to have children then pay for them and don't expect the taxpayers to pay for them and also their care along with all the other "benefits" you get.

Just remember the debt and deficit Labor left the country in and try to get your head around the billion dollars a month it costs to service this debt and then come back and start moaning about your handouts.

I'm also not saying I agree with it but if it is legislated then it is being done all wrong.

I think it is pretty much fact now that the debt and deficit issue has been debunked many times by economists world wide. It's just Murdoch and the LNP who are still holding on to the fallacy.

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ladydeburg — Mon, 11 May 2015 06:54:28 GMT

Where's MM when he's needed to put up the graphs of debt and themassive $1 billion a month we have to pay to service the Labor debt?

The debt that no one can deny, OH wait! you did Oh that's right it's just a Murdoch conspiracy.

The mind boggles, but expected from the secular clericy.

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gleee58 — Mon, 11 May 2015 07:01:20 GMT

@ladydeburg wrote:
Where's MM when he's needed to put up the graphs of debt and themassive $1 billion a month we have to pay to service the Labor debt?
The debt that no one can deny, OH wait! you did Oh that's right it's just a Murdoch conspiracy.

The mind boggles, but expected from the secular clericy.

Oops, there's that misspelled word again.

Re: Paid Parental Leave

cherry*135 — Mon, 11 May 2015 07:08:25 GMT

why should taxpayers pay for people to have children then pay for them to be cared for

In your world, women should stay home and do paid work outside the home, after they have children then?

Obviously, women aren't going to go to work to earn, for example, $450 a week and it will cost them $400 in childcare costs.

Re: Paid Parental Leave

cherry*135 — Mon, 11 May 2015 07:10:10 GMT

cler icy?

Word of the week.

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ladydeburg — Mon, 11 May 2015 12:22:26 GMT

Spelling bully? spell that

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i-need-a-martini — Mon, 11 May 2015 12:27:47 GMT

@ladydeburg wrote:

As for your "lying" comment. Labor actually legislated things into law (Climate commission and Gonski) so it could "never be changed" how's that for democracy.

Gonski was "legislated" into "law"? When?

And, actually, what does that even mean? How does "legislated into law" work?

Re: Paid Parental Leave

gleee58 — Mon, 11 May 2015 13:37:09 GMT

@ladydeburg wrote:
Spelling bully? spell that

If it's going to be used as a label to affix to posters it would be more appropriate to get the spelling right.... probably the meaning too.

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j*oono — Mon, 11 May 2015 13:46:07 GMT

Confused. What is a clericy?

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gleee58 — Mon, 11 May 2015 13:59:46 GMT

@j*oono wrote:
Confused. What is a clericy?

clerisy - learned people, as in a group.

Oxford online - Learned or literary people regarded as a social group or class:

What does that make a secular clerisy, which is what the posters here have been called?

Re: Paid Parental Leave

***super_nova*** — Mon, 11 May 2015 15:05:05 GMT

@ladydeburg wrote:
on another note; why should taxpayers pay for people to have children then pay for them to be cared for.

When employers pay wages high enough to cover child care then there will be no need for taxpayers to subsidies. And before you say that people should not have children if they cannot afford to support them; if people would not get various allowances to have children we end up with negative population growth just like Japan; they are now getting so desperate that they are looking at attracting migrants for the jobs that cannot be filled with local people.

If government has to subsidies people's income, then the main beneficiaries are the companies who pay subsistence wages.

Re: Paid Parental Leave

ladydeburg — Mon, 11 May 2015 22:04:44 GMT

Many employers already pay PPL and then the recipient gets another bite of the cherry by subsidies from the taxpayer. That loophole will be closed today in the budget.

Also the PPL for stay at home mothers? people who were not even in the workforce, what a joke, have a child, get baby bonus, get another handout to stay at home to look after your child but the taxpayers have to pay you for it? I hope that little rort will be closed today also.

As fo all your musings about spelling and what secular clerisy means? I believe your'e all secretly looked it up and put your own spin on it because that's what you do. You do exactly what the term means.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/07/watch-what-you-say-the-new-liberal-power-elite-won-t-tolerate-dissent.html