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Senate inquiry into Halal certification.

daydream**believer — Fri, 15 May 2015 03:42:28 GMT

Brilliant.

Whether people support halal certification or not, there are lots of people with lots of concerns so its time to investigate it all.

http://www.3aw.com.au/news/bernardis-inquiry-into-food-certification-schemes-20150514-gh1c32.html

Here are the reasons i am against halal certification and the questions i want answered.
1. Why are the fees paid by businesses for halal certification kept secret? Why do the businesss have to sign non disclosure agreements?

2. Why are there 20+ privately run halal certification companies in Australia, all charging whatever amounts they want, when Indonesia only has 1 Government run halal certifier? If foods need to be halal certified, then let the Government run it and let the money go back into the whole Australian community.

3. For meat to be halal, the animal needs to be slaughtered a certain way, throat slit while animal is conscious by a Muslim. Yes, there are some abattoirs that use a reverse stun but, from what i have researched, there are at least 15 abattoirs in Australia that slaughter animals using no stun. It is barbaric. This video is very graphic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAQJ-FZo1cA

4. Australia is a predominantly Christian country, so why are we being forced to eat meat that has been prayed over to a "god" that we dont even recognise?

5. If halal certification is supposed to help Muslims recognise what they can and cant eat, then why do so many companies that pay for the certification stamp choose not to display it on their products?

6. Why are abattoirs paying a certification fee and then packing all the meat in one truck and delivering it to butchers and supermarkets who then put it all in the one fridge and display it all in the one display fridge. Once pork products are shelved, stored or transported with other meats, the other meats immediately become non halal anyway. So Aussie Muslims cant eat it anyway.

7. We are told halal certification monies goes towards to building of more mosques and Islamic schools. We know that there are quite a few mosques where the hatred of Australia is preached. As for Islamic schools, the same schools where a principal has said that girls are forbidden to run in races because it will cause them to lose their virginity. Do we need schools like that here?

8. In Canada halal certification money was found to be used to fund organisations linked to extremist organisations. I have no doubt that would be happening here as well.

9. Halal is a part of sharia law and we DO NOT want any part of Sharia law in Australia.

So, what would i like to see? Id like halal certification to be a Government run organisation. Id like every business who pays for halal certification to have to display the stamp on their products. I want all Australian abattoirs to stun before killing. That would be a nice start

Re: Senate inquiry into Halal certification.

azureline** — Fri, 15 May 2015 03:48:29 GMT

Will you be satisfied with the results of the inquiry?

Re: Senate inquiry into Halal certification.

daydream**believer — Fri, 15 May 2015 03:54:56 GMT

Well, to be honest, i dont think an inquiry will address any of my personal concerns or questions.

It may find that Australias 20+ certifiers dont directly fund terrorism, but theyd have to be stupid to directly fund it anyway.

Re: Senate inquiry into Halal certification.

daydream**believer — Fri, 15 May 2015 03:58:30 GMT

@bluecat*dancing wrote:
The hate-fest continues......you are so blinded by your hatred and fear of Islam that you fail to realise that the inquiry will be for ALL food certification schemes. Perhaps the facts don't suit your agenda?

Excuse me?

i am aware that the inquiry will be investigating kosher, organic etc as well. However, the concerns i have are not an issue in Kosher (apart from the non stun abattoirs ) or organic certification.

Re: Senate inquiry into Halal certification.

the_great_she_elephant — Fri, 15 May 2015 03:58:04 GMT

(from the article in your OP) Yesterday the government announced the inquiry related to certification schemes for halal, kosher, organic products and genetically modified foods.

How odd that you only noticed one word on that list.

Re: Senate inquiry into Halal certification.

daydream**believer — Fri, 15 May 2015 04:00:25 GMT

@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
(from the article in your OP) Yesterday the government announced the inquiry related to certification schemes for halal, kosher, organic products and genetically modified foods.

How odd that you only noticed one word on that list.

Yawwwn, i'll say it again, the concerns i have are for halal certification. Im pretty sure all on here are aware i have an issue with that

Re: Senate inquiry into Halal certification.

azureline** — Fri, 15 May 2015 04:02:17 GMT

@daydream**believer wrote:
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
(from the article in your OP) Yesterday the government announced the inquiry related to certification schemes for halal, kosher, organic products and genetically modified foods.

How odd that you only noticed one word on that list.
Yawwwn, i'll say it again, the concerns i have are for halal certification. Im pretty sure all on here are aware i have an issue with that

You don't have an issue with Kosher methods of killing animals for food?

Re: Senate inquiry into Halal certification.

azureline** — Fri, 15 May 2015 04:05:29 GMT

Kosher describes what is ‘fit and proper’ for people of the Jewish faith to consume. Kosher food laws are based on interpretation of the Bible and the Torah, the Judaic scriptures, and set out a range of beverages and foods (including meat) that are acceptable to drink and eat.

For meat to be Kosher, the animal must be slaughtered in a particular way, so the Rabbi in a Kosher abattoir is a specially trained religious slaughterer. The animal must be killed so it feels little pain. A very sharp knife is used to cut the oesophagus, the trachea, carotid arteries and jugular veins in one smooth action. There must be no pause during the action nor excessive pressure on the blade. Failure to meet these specific requirements renders the animal unkosher.

The national standard for meat production in Australia is that all animals must be effectively stunned (unconscious) prior to slaughter. Kosher slaughter does not comply with this standard.

Kosher Slaughter

Re: Senate inquiry into Halal certification.

daydream**believer — Fri, 15 May 2015 04:05:40 GMT

Anyway, feel free to nit pick at my OP

But heres the thing, they are my questions and concerns. If they are not your questions or concerns, good for you

But if you actually read through my OP, and you know the answer to all of my points , feel free to fill me in, cause if you know all the answers then why do they need an inquiry?

Re: Senate inquiry into Halal certification.

daydream**believer — Fri, 15 May 2015 04:06:41 GMT

@azureline** wrote:
@daydream**believer wrote:
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
(from the article in your OP) Yesterday the government announced the inquiry related to certification schemes for halal, kosher, organic products and genetically modified foods.

How odd that you only noticed one word on that list.
Yawwwn, i'll say it again, the concerns i have are for halal certification. Im pretty sure all on here are aware i have an issue with that
You don't have an issue with Kosher methods of killing animals for food?

see post 5.

Re: Senate inquiry into Halal certification.

Anonymous — Fri, 15 May 2015 04:07:09 GMT

You don't have an issue with Kosher methods of killing animals for food?

she does. she stated so in post 5

Re: Senate inquiry into Halal certification.

daydream**believer — Fri, 15 May 2015 04:10:19 GMT

@*julia*2010 wrote:
You don't have an issue with Kosher methods of killing animals for food?

she does. she stated so in post 5

Yeh but Julia, they dont actually read or address anything i write, lol

Re: Senate inquiry into Halal certification.

azureline** — Fri, 15 May 2015 04:11:04 GMT

Halal describes what is lawful for Muslims to eat. Halal food laws are based on interpretation of the Quran, the Muslim scripture, and set out the range of beverages and foods (including meat) that are acceptable for Muslims to eat.

Re: Senate inquiry into Halal certification.

Anonymous — Fri, 15 May 2015 04:12:28 GMT

what agenda does sbs have?

Senate inquiry into halal certification

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/05/15/senate-inquiry-halal-certification

Libs seek inquiry into halal certification

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/03/27/libs-seek-inquiry-halal-certification

Re: Senate inquiry into Halal certification.

*mrgrizz* — Fri, 15 May 2015 04:12:37 GMT

my work kills 4000 animals everyday HALAL every single one is stunned first.

i will repeat once again ritual slaughter is where the animal is not stunned first. and is extremely rare and highly monitored.

we sign no non disclosure documents with any certifiers

Re: Senate inquiry into Halal certification.

daydream**believer — Fri, 15 May 2015 04:14:08 GMT

Thats really great that you know what halal and kosher are azure, but, i also already know what they are.

But that doesnt address the concerns i have with halal certification.

Re: Senate inquiry into Halal certification.

Anonymous — Fri, 15 May 2015 04:15:22 GMT

@daydream**believer wrote:
@*julia*2010 wrote:
You don't have an issue with Kosher methods of killing animals for food?

she does. she stated so in post 5
Yeh but Julia, they dont actually read or address anything i write, lol

how odd that they only noticed one word

Re: Senate inquiry into Halal certification.

azureline** — Fri, 15 May 2015 04:17:24 GMT

what was the edit in post 5?

Re: Senate inquiry into Halal certification.

daydream**believer — Fri, 15 May 2015 04:18:15 GMT

@*mrgrizz* wrote:
my work kills 4000 animals everyday HALAL every single one is stunned first.
i will repeat once again ritual slaughter is where the animal is not stunned first. and is extremely rare and highly monitored.

we sign no non disclosure documents with any certifiers

So you are not one of the 15 that does kill with no stun. Good for you.

http://kb.rspca.org.au/What-is-Halal-slaughter-in-Australia_116.html

"There are a small number of abattoirs in Australia that have been granted permission from the relevant State or Territory food authority to conduct religious slaughter without prior stunning – for either Halal or Kosher (Jewish slaughter) purposes. These ‘approvals’ are effectively exemptions to standard Australian slaughter practice. The proportion of animals slaughtered under these exemptions is very small, but nevertheless that any animals are slaughtered without stunning is of concern to the RSPCA. "

There have been businesses who have told of having to sign non disclosure forms

Re: Senate inquiry into Halal certification.

*mrgrizz* — Fri, 15 May 2015 04:19:09 GMT

there is 2 types of slaughter

HALAL

RITUAL HALAL

you are confusing the 2

these 15 abattoirs of which you speak are most likely 1 man shows.