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nudity causes earthquake

wilk1149 — Thu, 11 Jun 2015 23:46:07 GMT

Really, how bizarre. Another example of religion triumphing logic and reality. Glad I'm too poor to travel overseas why would you want to visit somewhere so backward

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pct001wine — Fri, 12 Jun 2015 01:22:33 GMT

Exactly, I mean why would people want to travel to Australia, where our bizarro Prime Minister thinks that wind farms cause health issues.

How backward.

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pct001wine — Fri, 12 Jun 2015 01:28:36 GMT

Maybe the bizarre bit is the notion that people want to tog off and urinate on top of a mountain. Crass and insensitive behaviour.

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Anonymous — Fri, 12 Jun 2015 01:35:44 GMT

Glad I'm too poor to travel overseas

just as well. if you cant respect different cultures

its best you don't go there.

The Kadazan Dusun people believe Mt Kinabalu is a sacred place – its name can be roughly interpreted as meaning “the revered place of the dead”.

Travellers are repeatedly urged in guides and signage to show respect for the spiritual significance of the Unesco World Heritage site.

Some tribal elders have called for the travellers to be tried in local courts for causing a deadly earthquake on the mountain, which happened subsequently.

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myoclon1cjerk — Fri, 12 Jun 2015 01:56:12 GMT

Don't forget,abortions cause bush fires.

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Anonymous — Fri, 12 Jun 2015 02:11:38 GMT

dont let the facts get in the way

of your ~~good~~ story

What did the initial reports say?

The first indication that Malaysians blamed foreigners taking naked pictures on the country’s highest peak for the deadly earthquake came after news agency reports of comments on social media, where images of the tourists were being circulated.

The anger escalated after a press conference called by Sri Joseph Pairin Kitingan, the deputy chief minister and a key Kadazan Dusun figure.

In comments reported by the Malay Mail and elsewhere, Pairin said the tourists should be taken to a local court and charged according to local customs.

“Whether other people believe this or not, it’s what we Sabahans believe. When the earthquake happened, it’s like a confirmation of our beliefs. It is a sacred mountain and you cannot take it lightly.

“There is almost certainly a connection. We have to take this as a reminder that local beliefs and customs are not to be disrespected.”

Many locals have agreed with Pairin. Fendi Adam, a teenager member of the Dusun tribe, told the Guardian: “It was the first earthquake we had that we felt here in Kota Kinabalu.

“The spirits don’t like what they did. They should be kept in jail for a long time.”

Sabah’s chief tribal priest, Tindarama Aman Sirom Simbuna, told Malaysia’s Star newspaper that the tourists should be fined 10 head of buffalo in line with local customs.

It quoted him saying: “According to local beliefs, the spirit of the mountain is very angry,” he said. “This fine, called sogit in the native tongue, should be in the form of 10 male or female buffaloes.”

Were the foreigners actually arrested for causing the earthquake?

No. Although there have been calls to try the tourists in local courts and according to tribal laws, that is not what has happened.

The four who have been arrested in Malaysia will face charges under the national penal code, and the alleged offences do not have any connection to the earthquake.

Hawkins’ lawyer, Ronny Cham, said “causing annoyance by conducting obscene acts in a public place” is the likely charge.

Masidi Manjun, Sabah state tourism minister, said Malaysians “especially those in Sabah were very upset” at some tabloid reports suggesting the tourists were arrested for angering the mountain gods and for causing the earthquake.

“They were remanded for four days for further investigation for alleged offence or offences under the penal code. Definitely they were not arrested for causing a ‘deadly earthquake’,” Masidi said.

“We never said the naked stunt caused the earthquake. Sabahans were ‘boiling hot’ for their total disrespect of Mt Kinabalu, considered sacred by Sabah’s largest indigenous tribe, even before the earthquake happened. The earthquake multiplies their anger 1,000 times.”

Were the ‘earthquake’ claims even started by Malaysians?

Masidi has claimed the rumour that the nude pictures caused the earthquake was started initially not by Malaysians, but by the alleged ringleader of the stripping travellers, a Canadian called Emil Kaminski.

The self-described “perpetual backpacker” was the first to post the naked picture on Mt Kinabalu, and has subsequently posted multiple times on Facebook, Twitter and YouTube about the incident.

Kaminski, who Hawkins’ father called a “halfwit”, has a Facebook page with a number of nude pictures taken at altitude, most of which appear to be in his home country of Canada.

It does not, however, appear to be the case that Kaminski was the first to connect his nudity with the earthquake.

The first reference Kaminski makes to the affair is on his Facebook page, where he links to reports of deputy chief minister Pairin’s comments about the earthquake.

“Some deranged **** has linked earthquakes and mountaintop nudity,” he wrote.

“Well, apparently I am responsible for the 2015 Nepal quake, and whatever incoming quakes in Canada (as well as Thailand, India, China, Taiwan, Hongkong, and a variety of other countries)...”

His later postings include a video called Trolling Malaysia which sees him continue to mock the outrage. “Jesus Christ people, it’s just a **bleep**ing mountain,” he says.

But despite the distastefulness of the posts, it does seem like Kaminski has only reacted to, although possibly fuelled, anger about the link between the nude photos and the earthquake – which already existed.

the guardian

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wilk1149 — Fri, 12 Jun 2015 03:21:44 GMT

Julia2010 I hope you also find it outrageous that people climb Uluru and just for your information I would respect other countries culture if I was to travel but I probably still wouldn't if I could afford it as it isn't something that inspires me anyway as I would have to learn the language and all customs before feeling adequately prepared to enjoy the country I was visiting rather than being an ignorant tourist

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wilk1149 — Fri, 12 Jun 2015 03:31:25 GMT

By the way pct001wine I was born in this **bleep**head country and never said I endorsed the rantings of the **bleep**wit running it

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Anonymous — Fri, 12 Jun 2015 03:36:32 GMT

that is good to know because your

op came across as disrespectful towards

the kadazan dusun people's beliefs

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pct001wine — Fri, 12 Jun 2015 04:10:32 GMT

@wilk1149 wrote:
By the way pct001wine I was born in this **bleep**head country and never said I endorsed the rantings of the **bleep**wit running it

I never thought for one moment that you were an Abbott acolyte wilk .... you and I share that for sure ...

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wilk1149 — Fri, 12 Jun 2015 08:49:44 GMT

I respect everyones right ti believe whatever they want, just don't comprehend it

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jimmy*part4 — Fri, 12 Jun 2015 10:56:02 GMT

I'm glad they weren't Americans. Although I'm sure it's our fault somehow.

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electric*mayhem*band — Fri, 12 Jun 2015 11:38:04 GMT

Probably a bunch of spoiled bloody 'Rah, Rahs', and the Gap Year was a trip that was being bankrolled by mummy and daddy. Anyway the guides said they were 'arrogant', so that just about clinches it.