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Guillotining of Bills

catsnknots — Fri, 28 Jun 2013 00:38:51 GMT

to limit debate on (a bill, motion, etc)

procedure that can be used to restrict the time set aside for debate during the passage of a bill through the House

I write this for the people that are undecided voters... for those that are unsure of who to trust..... for those that hear the Greens and Labor say that Abbott will be a dangerous person to vote for and that he will push through policy for a certain group.... well this is what the Greens and Labor have done to debate...

When I get angry at the lies and deceit of this government I am told that I am just led by the Murdoch press.....

When I comment that the Greens are low life creatures that will do anything to serve themselves and twist the truth to make anyone look bad but themselves I am also told that I have no idea what I am talking about and that the Greens are above reproach....

well explain this to me then....

I hear that the Greens and Labor say that letting an Abbott government have control of the senate will bring on all sorts of trouble with them forcing through bills without proper debate. That part of democracy is to allow open and honest discussion.....

They use to abuse the Howard Government for forcing 34 bills through the Senate without debate.... I can't remember what their exact words were but they were pretty derogatory... they really thought that forcing through bills was totally inappropriate.

In fact as I sit here Milne is on TV right now warning of having a Senate controlled by Abbott.... lol.. makes me laugh when I have been hearing what they have been doing in the Senate this past 3 years.

They abused Howard for his 34 Guillotining of Bills over 3 years when he had control of the Senate.

Well today the Greens will help Guillotine 55 Bills though the house. One of those Bills is 100% to benefit the Greens to gain a permanent seat on a committee. If Howard had forced through a bill to benefit the Coalition he would have been crucified.

When these 55 Bills are forced through the Senate without debate that will make a total of 216 Bills forced through by the Green/Labor alliance without debate in 3 years.. more than in any other Term of Government....

The Greens made a huge commotion about the 34 Bills the Howard forced through.... why is it then ok for the Greens to force through 216 Bills???

Here is a list of bills guillotined up until 2012. It will be interesting to see what it looks like when they update with this years list.

http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Statistics/statsnet/legislation/urgentbills

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just_me_karen — Fri, 28 Jun 2013 00:59:43 GMT

Tony Abbott just kissed Julie bishop on TV and licked his reptilian lips :_|

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donnashuggy — Fri, 28 Jun 2013 01:02:50 GMT

The greens deserve everything they get including the loss of votes and popularity.

Gee I am glad I missed that karen 😄

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catsnknots — Fri, 28 Jun 2013 01:07:50 GMT

This might be the first thing we agree on...

But the ALP is also a bit two faced... I found this..

This is from when the ALP was the opposition...

The ALP leader in the Senate, Chris Evans, has itemised a list of government actions concerning Question Time, censure motions, guillotines, gags and Senate Committees.

The Opposition argues these actions constitute “democratic abuses”. -

See more at: http://australianpolitics.com/2005/12/16/john-howards-senate-abuses.html#sthash.CY7Px2F0.dpuf

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donnashuggy — Fri, 28 Jun 2013 01:12:05 GMT

Did you listen to Peter Garrett yesterday? What he said about the environment was true.

Gotta go get my hair done, not ignoring you! I have no time for the greens.

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just_me_karen — Fri, 28 Jun 2013 01:13:22 GMT

Why is tony rabbit so insistent that "I'm not being negative" and the follow with a nasty negative statement?

i think it's because his spin doctors have ordered him not to be negative, but he doesn't know how?

Now he's saying "Kevin it's not all about you" .. Has he short term memory issues? So far his entire speech has been about Kevin :^O

this man is a fool!

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catsnknots — Fri, 28 Jun 2013 01:17:50 GMT

Did you listen to Peter Garrett yesterday? What he said about the environment was true.

Gotta go get my hair done, not ignoring you! I have no time for the greens.

He spoke very well, didn't hear it all as I had work on...

why do they all speak so well on their departure yet can't speak so well when trying to promote even good policy???

chat later when you get back.

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catsnknots — Fri, 28 Jun 2013 01:24:43 GMT

http://www.news.com.au/national-news/peter-garrett-opens-up-about-8216dark-nights-of-the-soul8217-as-a-minister/story-fncynjr2-1226671168423

lol.. I think I just found out why he was never convincing when arguing his policy decisions...

He didn't agree with them...

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just_me_karen — Fri, 28 Jun 2013 01:30:10 GMT

:^O

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catsnknots — Fri, 28 Jun 2013 07:38:06 GMT

I can't believe that no one here cares that the Green/ALP government have forced through 55 Bills today...more than the Howard Government did in 3 years...

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**meep** — Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:04:36 GMT

Tony Abbott just kissed Julie bishop on TV and licked his reptilian lips :_|

hahahaha Love it!! Its anything goes without worrying about gender.

i always thought Mr Sheen was the lip licker :^O

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just_me_karen — Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:38:04 GMT

Wow, that's excellent catmad, no wonder we're in such an enviable position on the world stage. We have an efficient, productive government who will go down in history for their effective forward thinking social improvements 🙂

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catsnknots — Fri, 28 Jun 2013 11:28:46 GMT

So when Tony Abbott gets in he too can push through any amount of legislation without debate and you will say exactly the same thing then Karen???

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just_me_karen — Fri, 28 Jun 2013 12:14:43 GMT

No. Liberal policies will send us down the economic gurgler, like other countries who had austerity right wing govts.

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freakiness — Sat, 29 Jun 2013 00:30:32 GMT

I can't believe that no one here cares that the Green/ALP government have forced through 55 Bills today...more than the Howard Government did in 3 years...

They have all been debated.

Imagine the outrage if they recalled parliament to keep debating these bills that have already been debated.

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windrake — Sat, 29 Jun 2013 03:30:03 GMT

Reptiles, that's what the Greens are. It's just as much their fault what happened to Gillard & Labor. I have no words to say about Labor that any luvvies could bear to read.

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cherry*135 — Sat, 29 Jun 2013 03:40:54 GMT

More concerned about Tony Abbott's negativeness and how he can make an important speech and the bulk of it is about the recycled PM, Kevin (he calls him that).

Why would listening to that influence anyone want to vote for him and his party?