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Muslims object to Ramadan dinners

baybizz — Tue, 14 Jul 2015 08:09:49 GMT

>> Harmony off the menu: AFP calls off Ramadan dinners after Muslim leaders object to raids and 'victimisation'

>> The Australian Federal Police has reportedly cancelled its annual Ramadan dinners after receiving backlash from some Muslim community members, who urged their leaders to boycott the event.

>> The AFP has been known for hosting the Eid dinners to celebrate the end of the holy month of Ramadan, as part of an ongoing commitment to engage with the Islamic community.

>> But a group named Concerned Muslims Australia had set up a petition calling on imams and representations to boycott the dinners being held in Sydney and Melbourne this year...

www.dailymail.co.uk/article-3159560/muslims-boycott-ramadan-dinners

Re: Muslims object to Ramadan dinners

icyfroth — Tue, 14 Jul 2015 11:27:09 GMT

Yeah well I guess it does seem a little hypocritical of the coppers to provide a Ramadan meal one minute, then go raiding the community for weapons, passports etc the next.

Re: Muslims object to Ramadan dinners

this-one-time-at-bandcamp — Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:08:38 GMT

Is that anything like LE hosting drug awareness seminars at schools, then hypocritically arresting meth-heads who are holding?

Re: Muslims object to Ramadan dinners

moonflyte — Tue, 14 Jul 2015 22:39:01 GMT

Muslims flexing their muscles and dictating what the police can do. We could be faced with "No Go" areas like in many other countries.

As for police raids? well thank God they do because if we knew only a fraction of the weapons and radicalisation out there we wouldn't be criticizing the police for doing their job, and that's what they are there for.

If there wasn't an Islamic terror war exploding all over the world then raids wouldn't be necessary. Where are the Muslim community who supported the end of Ramadan dinners held before? why aren't they standing up? engaging in the community with the police?

Re: Muslims object to Ramadan dinners

icyfroth — Tue, 14 Jul 2015 23:29:30 GMT

@djlukjilly wrote:
Muslims flexing their muscles and dictating what the police can do. We could be faced with "No Go" areas like in many other countries.

As for police raids? well thank God they do because if we knew only a fraction of the weapons and radicalisation out there we wouldn't be criticizing the police for doing their job, and that's what they are there for.

If there wasn't an Islamic terror war exploding all over the world then raids wouldn't be necessary. Where are the Muslim community who supported the end of Ramadan dinners held before? why aren't they standing up? engaging in the community with the police?

Frankly I don't understand the Police giving Ramadan dinners.

Re: Muslims object to Ramadan dinners

icyfroth — Tue, 14 Jul 2015 23:30:29 GMT

@this-one-time-at-bandcamp wrote:
Is that anything like LE hosting drug awareness seminars at schools, then hypocritically arresting meth-heads who are holding?

What's LE?

Re: Muslims object to Ramadan dinners

Anonymous — Wed, 15 Jul 2015 01:16:44 GMT

law enforcement ?

Re: Muslims object to Ramadan dinners

Anonymous — Wed, 15 Jul 2015 01:19:01 GMT

Frankly I don't understand the Police giving Ramadan dinners.

yeah, don't know why they bother.

its obviously not appreciated.

Re: Muslims object to Ramadan dinners

kilroy_is_here — Wed, 15 Jul 2015 06:32:29 GMT

It's time we stopped enabling their victim mentality and stopped pandering to their pettiness at bring offended by everything we do ,
I m not sorry we live in a time where people are enacting great deeds of evil and chaos designed to destabilise our way of life it Is being done in the name of Islam rightly or wrongly , so if you belong to that group you are going to come under greater scrutiny like it or not that is the price of the freedom to live in this country, if this offends you that is your problem not mine, if this offends you to the point of taking action that is against the law then I would say that the attention was warranted , if you truely want to be equal in this country, then weed out the radicals from your community and live as one in the society that you chose to become a member of , you came to us we did not come to you, if you want our respect then you must respect that we have our own ways that are important to us, if these are not compatible with you and your way of life that's fine, you are free to live here amongst us as long as you except we will not change who we are to meet who you want us to be, if this does not suit you you are free to find some place that is a match to your preferred life style, that is the freedom we give to you one you may not get in another country

Re: Muslims object to Ramadan dinners

the_great_she_elephant — Wed, 15 Jul 2015 06:53:42 GMT

Muslims flexing their muscles and dictating what the police can do.

(To rephrase part of the OP):

>> The ~~AFP~~ ABC has been known for hosting the ~~Eid dinners to celebrate the end of the holy month of Ramadan~~, current affairs programme QandA as part of an ongoing commitment to engage with the ~~Islamic~~ Australian community.

>> But ~~a group named Concerned Muslims Australia~~ the Australian Prime Minister had set up a ~~petition~~ interdiction calling on ~~imams and representations~~ ministers to boycott the ~~dinners~~ programme being held in Sydney ~~and Melbourne this year..~~.until further notice.

The old saying "What's sauce for the goose. . . etc". springs to mind.

Re: Muslims object to Ramadan dinners

village_person — Wed, 15 Jul 2015 08:14:38 GMT

Does this spell the end of Harmony Day?

Harmony Day

Harmony Day (21 March) celebrates Australia’s cultural diversity. It’s about inclusiveness, respect and a sense of belonging for everyone.

Thank you for celebrating our 15th birthday!

Thank you, for celebrating Harmony Day’s 15th birthday.

Events and activities were celebrated across Australia, from the smallest child care centres to the largest businesses, sharing the message ‘everyone belongs’.

http://www.harmony.gov.au

Re: Muslims object to Ramadan dinners

the_great_she_elephant — Wed, 15 Jul 2015 09:52:03 GMT

Why would it? Harmony Day embraces ALL races, cultures and religions. If Muslims decided to boycott it, that wouldn't affect any other groups.

Re: Muslims object to Ramadan dinners

i-need-a-martini — Wed, 15 Jul 2015 21:48:31 GMT

An article from 2 high profile Sydney Muslims who signed the petition to boycott. Reading their frustration and you can understand their reluctance to partake in PR exercises dished out by Federal government agencies.

It's a bit like representatives of the Roman Empire inviting Christians to a Christmas dinner and assuming that the Christians will forget about the persecution in those 3 hours of food and fun.

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/scapegoating-minorities-may-reap-a-bitter-harvest-20150708-gi7l2u.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nc&eid=socialn:twi-13omn1677-edtrl-other:nnn-17/02/2014-edtrs_socialshare-all-nnn-nnn-vars-o&sa=D&usg=ALhdy28zsr6qiq

Re: Muslims object to Ramadan dinners

Anonymous — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 02:52:44 GMT

attitudes such as yours are damaging to the

good work of those muslim leaders who came out

calling for calm, co-operation and support of

australian authorities.

we were praising the clerics on this forum for that

not that long ago.

no minority groups are being persecuted

in australia.

if members of the yakuza were being investigated,

monitored, properties raided etc - would you say

japanese communites in aus were being persecuted?

kilory - well said, especially about victim

mentality.

Re: Muslims object to Ramadan dinners

gleee58 — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 03:03:05 GMT

Those 2 women do not hold a victim mentality.

They have every right to express their views on the situation and would know better than anyone how they feel about the issue and why they decided not to attend the function. They are "some of the muslim leaders who called for calm co-operation and support".

There is no evidence that there is any truth in the populist nonsense in the Kilroy post.

The first lesson in shutting people down is accuse them of having a victim mentality. The same is said in every conversation about indigenous people, domestic violence and feminism.

Re: Muslims object to Ramadan dinners

Anonymous — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 03:04:46 GMT

were they the ones who made this analogy:

It's a bit like representatives of the Roman Empire inviting Christians to a Christmas dinner and assuming that the Christians will forget about the persecution in those 3 hours of food and fun.

Re: Muslims object to Ramadan dinners

gleee58 — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 03:15:43 GMT

@*julia*2010 wrote:
were they the ones who made this analogy:

It's a bit like representatives of the Roman Empire inviting Christians to a Christmas dinner and assuming that the Christians will forget about the persecution in those 3 hours of food and fun.

~~Who made that analogy?~~

~~Where did it come from?~~

It looks like a Martini analogy.

Re: Muslims object to Ramadan dinners

Anonymous — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 03:16:24 GMT

The same is said in every conversation about indigenous people, domestic violence and feminism.

rubbish

there has been a lot of focus (conversations)

about domestic violence recently. i have not

heard it being discussed in context of victim

mentality

Re: Muslims object to Ramadan dinners

Anonymous — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 03:18:34 GMT

@gleee58 wrote:
@*julia*2010 wrote:
were they the ones who made this analogy:

It's a bit like representatives of the Roman Empire inviting Christians to a Christmas dinner and assuming that the Christians will forget about the persecution in those 3 hours of food and fun.
~~Who made that analogy?~~

~~Where did it come from?~~

It looks like a Martini analogy.

thank you

Re: Muslims object to Ramadan dinners

lloydslights — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 03:28:47 GMT

@i-need-a-martini wrote:
An article from 2 high profile Sydney Muslims who signed the petition to boycott. Reading their frustration and you can understand their reluctance to partake in PR exercises dished out by Federal government agencies.

It's a bit like representatives of the Roman Empire inviting Christians to a Christmas dinner and assuming that the Christians will forget about the persecution in those 3 hours of food and fun.

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/scapegoating-minorities-may-reap-a-bitter-harvest-20150708-gi7l2u.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nc&eid=socialn:twi-13omn1677-edtrl-other:nnn-17/02/2014-edtrs_socialshare-all-nnn-nnn-vars-o&sa=D&usg=ALhdy28zsr6qiq

Mariam Veiszadeh and Lydia Shelly are lawyers and community advocates.

Those 2 women do not hold a victim mentality.

These 2 women who wrote the opinion piece as above, not only signed the petition - they instigated the petition in the first place along with Randa Abdel-Fattah (author) in regarding the "Feast".

I believe they "benefit" from victim mentality. They are getting their names out to the public that may be able to use their legal resources which are probably funded by Legal Aid which is funded by ............................???

The term "ambulance chasers" comes to my mind.

DEB