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GST

rabbitearbandicoot — Fri, 24 Jul 2015 05:11:42 GMT

what's happening with the GST? I heard someone talking about 15%?

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Anonymous — Fri, 24 Jul 2015 05:18:44 GMT

yes its a possibility.

i don't mind.

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lyndal1838 — Fri, 24 Jul 2015 05:19:03 GMT

Still only talk. Nothing will happen unless/until all states are in agreement.

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icyfroth — Fri, 24 Jul 2015 05:40:00 GMT

Mike Baird NSW Premier wants to raise it to cover medicare . The PM is hinting he's not against it. Ecocomists say it still won't cover the medicare shortfall.

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polksaladallie — Fri, 24 Jul 2015 05:55:57 GMT

@lyndal1838 wrote:
Still only talk. Nothing will happen unless/until all states are in agreement.

All states do not have to agree for the federal government to enact.

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icyfroth — Fri, 24 Jul 2015 05:57:55 GMT

@polksaladallie wrote:
@lyndal1838 wrote:
Still only talk. Nothing will happen unless/until all states are in agreement.
All states do not have to agree for the federal government to enact.

I heard that they did. And that SA would probably not.

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polksaladallie — Fri, 24 Jul 2015 06:03:36 GMT

When anyone says that they are playing games.

The first obstacle to changing the GST would appear to be gaining the unanimous support of the Commonwealth, states and territories for any proposal. However, it has been suggested that, despite the agreement set out in the IGA, the Commonwealth would be legally free to disregard the IGA and amend the GST legislation unilaterally. That is because legal experts suggest that the IGA is not legally binding, but merely a political agreement.

http://www.aph.gov.au/about_parliament/parliamentary_departments/parliamentary_library/pubs/rp/budgetreview201415/gst

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lloydslights — Fri, 24 Jul 2015 09:40:52 GMT

@polksaladallie wrote:
When anyone says that they are playing games.

The first obstacle to changing the GST would appear to be gaining the unanimous support of the Commonwealth, states and territories for any proposal. However, it has been suggested that, despite the agreement set out in the IGA, the Commonwealth would be legally free to disregard the IGA and amend the GST legislation unilaterally. That is because legal experts suggest that the IGA is not legally binding, but merely a political agreement.

http://www.aph.gov.au/about_parliament/parliamentary_departments/parliamentary_library/pubs/rp/budgetreview201415/gst

That is because legal experts suggest that the IGA is not legally binding, but merely a political agreement.......

And here is the official OPINION that gives the suggestion it is not legally binding

http://resources.news.com.au/files/2013/08/18/1226699/498693-gstreport18082013.pdf

DEB

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iapetus_rocks — Fri, 24 Jul 2015 09:53:09 GMT

It's nothing more than a poorly disguised tax on the disadvantaged.

Let's chase up the corporate tax dodgers and the really wealthy private citizens who can afford to pay more but who can also afford to wriggle out of their tax obligations.

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go-tazz — Fri, 24 Jul 2015 22:00:51 GMT

@iapetus_rocks wrote:
It's nothing more than a poorly disguised tax on the disadvantaged.

Let's chase up the corporate tax dodgers and the really wealthy private citizens who can afford to pay more but who can also afford to wriggle out of their tax obligations.

But that would include some politicians so that will never happen,(they feather their own nest and they would

never soil them),

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polksaladallie — Fri, 24 Jul 2015 22:13:05 GMT

I prefer to believe the government legal source, rather than an unknown academic.

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moonflyte — Fri, 24 Jul 2015 22:23:53 GMT

I believe the tax should be upped and also the medicare levy.

Welfare and health are outstripping the whole budget and that's not even counting education. We are not making enough tax to pay for our lifestyle, we can't borrow any more from China without endangering our sovereignty.

But don't let that worry you too much, all you have to worry about is Bills mad renewables target and 26,000 more refugees which most will stay on welfare forever, never assimilate and breed a generation of resentment filled youth.

Republic, the recognition, a female target of 50% regardless of their ability and gay marriage is the priority for Labor doncha know.

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wilk1149 — Fri, 24 Jul 2015 23:27:45 GMT

How come no one here ever mentions the nearly 30 billion we spend a year on defense. Mainly to give the tanks some legitimacy for there never ending campaigns against whomever.
When will they ever come and fight a bogus war on our behalf, never. We stupidly spend all our money fighting fir a country that couldn't give a flying fig fir us. Where were they in WWII when the Japanese were bombing us. Hiding back home until we had the Japanese on the ropes and them MacArthur came back and wouldn't let us participate in the front line fighting so he could take all the glory. Oh and before any yank wants to dispute the actual facts of WWII your version of the war is just lies told by the "victor". Isn't it marvelous how they claim to have won the war but were only really there for the clean up. Neither Britain or America were there when we really needed them

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lloydslights — Fri, 24 Jul 2015 23:52:37 GMT

@polksaladallie wrote:
I prefer to believe the government legal source, rather than an unknown academic.

That was the government legal source that was referred to in your initial reference.

DEB

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polksaladallie — Fri, 24 Jul 2015 23:56:02 GMT

Nup.

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lloydslights — Sat, 25 Jul 2015 00:18:43 GMT

This is from within the initial reference you gave.

That is because legal experts suggest that the IGA is not legally binding, but merely a political agreement.[4]

[4]. P Wong (Minister for Finance), ‘Senior lawyers back Abbott’s ability to Increase GST,’ 19 August 2013, accessed 19 May 2014; see also M Farr, ‘Tony Abbott has power to increase GST without state support,’ news.com.au, 19 August 2013, accessed 19 May 2014.

http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22media%2Fpressrel%2F2672264%22Campaign Media Release

Campaign Spokesperson Penny Wong

SENIOR LAWYERS BACK ABBOTT’S ABILITY TO INCREASE GST

Senior legal counsel has confirmed that Tony Abbott could increase the GST and rip thousands of dollars out of the pockets of average Australians, if he is elected Prime Minister.

Advice reported by news.com.au from two respected constitutional experts, Bret Walker SC and A. D. Lang, makes it clear that Mr Abbott is not telling the truth when he claims that the Federal Government can only increase the rate of the GST and apply it to currently exempt items like food if the states agree.

Polksa, this info is from your submission in the first instance.

How can the term "nup" be appropriate?

DEB

Re: GST

polksaladallie — Sat, 25 Jul 2015 00:29:00 GMT

Should have been, Huh?

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polksaladallie — Sat, 25 Jul 2015 00:36:51 GMT

Submission? I don't work in academia any longer.

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monman12 — Sat, 25 Jul 2015 01:04:30 GMT

polksaladallie wrote:

I prefer to believe the government legal source, rather than an unknown academic.

Bret walker is hardly an unknown academic!

In a nutshell: the government of the day do not require approval of the States and Territories to vary the base or rate of the GST. This could be achieved by a simple amendment(s) to the GST Act. However, therein lies the rub, a simple amendment would require successful passage through BOTH houses.

Not a simple process !

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bella_again — Sat, 25 Jul 2015 01:34:50 GMT

I am not against raising the GST BUT it shouldn't be on essential items and untilities. It should be on high end items, TV's, cars etc Let's face it, no matter how you look at it the budget needs more money. But if we apply it to the non essentials it doesn't impact on the disadvantaged so much.