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Four Corners tonight on Halal

donnashuggy — Mon, 07 Sep 2015 08:49:59 GMT

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2015/09/07/4305337.htm

Re: Four Corners tonight on Halal

icyfroth — Mon, 07 Sep 2015 09:36:41 GMT

That'll be interesting.

I'll be sure to watch thanks for the heads up!

Re: Four Corners tonight on Halal

Anonymous — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 01:15:05 GMT

barnaby he makes me laugh

BARNABY JOYCE:

It doesn't worry me that it's halal. It doesn't worry me if the Seventh Day Adventists did it. It doesn't worry me if the Buddhists, ah, br- brought forward some new curry.

It doesn't worry me if I go to an Indian restaurant and the chef is, the chef is Hindu.

It doesn't worry me because, even on the premise of my religion, I don't have to worry about what goes into the mouth: I only have to worry about what comes out.

does that mean he is a christian?

Matthew 15:18

"Do you not understand that everything that goes into the mouth passes into the stomach, and is eliminated? But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man."

Re: Four Corners tonight on Halal

icyfroth — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 02:14:22 GMT

@*julia*2010 wrote:

Barnaby Joyce "I don't have to worry about what goes into the mouth: I only have to worry about what comes out."

That's really a quote worth re-quoting lol.

Re the 4 corners report.

Bit of a whitewash, I thought.

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ecar3483 — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 02:24:30 GMT

Regarding the idea of saying nothing, from another cultural perspective...

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youcandoityoucandoityoucandoit — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 02:39:23 GMT

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donnashuggy — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 03:37:30 GMT

Isn't sanitarium Seventh Day Adventist?

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Anonymous — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 03:41:43 GMT

@donnashuggy wrote:
Isn't sanitarium Seventh Day Adventist?

i dont know but it doesn't worry

barnaby

Re: Four Corners tonight on Halal

the_great_she_elephant — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 04:04:43 GMT

Bit of a whitewash, I thought.

What did you feel was left unsaid that should have been discussed?

Re: Four Corners tonight on Halal

donnashuggy — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 04:21:27 GMT

I found it a little difficult to know who to believe. Donations for their mosques and such is fine but the rest?

Obviously we are financially better off by having halal certification given the size of the market.

Re: Four Corners tonight on Halal

icyfroth — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 06:29:19 GMT

@donnashuggy wrote:
I found it a little difficult to know who to believe. Donations for their mosques and such is fine but the rest?

Obviously we are financially better off by having halal certification given the size of the market.

yes that's what they kept emphasising. How many billions of $$$ it is for the economy. Whose economy?

Never mind that businesses are virtually left on the outside of the market if they don't have the certification.

It's money for jam.

Jizya.

Re: Four Corners tonight on Halal

donnashuggy — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 06:34:46 GMT

@icyfroth wrote:
@donnashuggy wrote:
I found it a little difficult to know who to believe. Donations for their mosques and such is fine but the rest?

Obviously we are financially better off by having halal certification given the size of the market.
yes that's what they kept emphasising. How many billions of $$$ it is for the economy. Whose economy?

Never mind that businesses are virtually left on the outside of the market if they don't have the certification.

It's money for jam.

Jizya.

Whose economy? Ours for sure because it is obviously much cheaper to produce in bulk and the market for halal is huge.

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donnashuggy — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 06:37:37 GMT

What was it the tea producer said? For halal certification to be costing the consumer they would have to be consuming 400 cups of tea per day to be paying one cent, yet he went on to say the petty amount he was paying for certification was not worth it, have I got that right?

Re: Four Corners tonight on Halal

icyfroth — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 06:41:05 GMT

@donnashuggy wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
@donnashuggy wrote:
I found it a little difficult to know who to believe. Donations for their mosques and such is fine but the rest?

Obviously we are financially better off by having halal certification given the size of the market.
yes that's what they kept emphasising. How many billions of $$$ it is for the economy. Whose economy?

Never mind that businesses are virtually left on the outside of the market if they don't have the certification.

It's money for jam.

Jizya.
Whose economy? Ours for sure because it is obviously much cheaper to produce in bulk and the market for halal is huge.

Yes well that's how they presented it.

Huge gains for a small yearly payment of around $1500

Any reasonable person would shrug their shoulders and say go for it, was the message.

I didn't get to see the whole show from start to finish, unfortunately.

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the_great_she_elephant — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 06:51:21 GMT

The financial benefit for any individual exporter would obviously depend on how much of their product they were selling to an overseas Muslem market and how much of that export trade they would lose if their product was not Halal certified.

The benefit to the Australian economy wold be based on the sum total of individual profits gained from Halal certified exports by each individual exporter.

Re: Four Corners tonight on Halal

icyfroth — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 06:57:23 GMT

@donnashuggy wrote:
What was it the tea producer said? For halal certification to be costing the consumer they would have to be consuming 400 cups of tea per day to be paying one cent, yet he went on to say the petty amount he was paying for certification was not worth it, have I got that right?

The Madurah Tea man?

Yes I got that too. It was not clear to me why he discontinued it.

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moonflyte — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 07:10:58 GMT

Isn't it donating to a religion? are we being forced to donate by stealth?.

Religious ideologies many don’t want to be a part of and don’t want to support.

We are a democracy and we have a right to avoid paying it if you feel strongly about it but we have no choice and that‘s what insults many Australians and the deterioration of the fair go and freedom of choice.

Re: Four Corners tonight on Halal

icyfroth — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 07:30:35 GMT

Either way, I don't knowingly buy anything with a Halal badge on it. I always check.

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Anonymous — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 08:09:36 GMT

@icyfroth wrote:
@donnashuggy wrote:
What was it the tea producer said? For halal certification to be costing the consumer they would have to be consuming 400 cups of tea per day to be paying one cent, yet he went on to say the petty amount he was paying for certification was not worth it, have I got that right?
The Madurah Tea man?

Yes I got that too. It was not clear to me why he discontinued it.

RON FORD: If you don't want to get it: that's fine, too. Our decision was to try it. We found no significant economic benefit. We terminated it.

you can read the transcript:

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2015/09/07/4305337.htm

Re: Four Corners tonight on Halal

the_great_she_elephant — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 08:29:24 GMT

Isn't it donating to a religion? are we being forced to donate by stealth?

You can't force anybody to do anything by stealth - the word 'force' implies physical coercion and I haven't noticed any jihadis in my local supermarket herding people at gunpoint towards Halal certified products.

The whole point of Halal certification is that the product is labelled and identifiable, but I suppose anyone unable or unwilling to read labels before buying might complain they were being conned into donating.