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Bill Shorten Calls For Voting Age To Be Lowered

icyfroth — Sat, 31 Oct 2015 00:32:06 GMT

The nation's voting age should be lowered to 16 because young Australians do not see their views reflected in Parliament, according to Federal Opposition Leader Bill Shorten.

In a speech to the New South Wales Young Labor conference in Sydney today, Mr Shorten said if people aged 16 and 17 can drive, work, pay taxes, join the military and make their own choices about medical treatment, they should also be allowed to vote.

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Ooh getting desperate for votes now, Mr Shorton?

Re: Bill Shorten Calls For Voting Age To Be Lowered

myoclon1cjerk — Sat, 31 Oct 2015 01:57:41 GMT

If that happened,more votes for the Greens. 😉

Re: Bill Shorten Calls For Voting Age To Be Lowered

moonflyte — Sat, 31 Oct 2015 05:27:02 GMT

OMG, is there any more frivolous "policies" this person is going to "announce" How about getting the Labor senate members to pass some reform bills, that's what you got elected for.

Re: Bill Shorten Calls For Voting Age To Be Lowered

donnashuggy — Sat, 31 Oct 2015 05:35:32 GMT

@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
If that happened,more votes for the Greens. 😉

Anything would be better than the young liberal thugs 🙂

Re: Bill Shorten Calls For Voting Age To Be Lowered

harley_babes_hoard — Sat, 31 Oct 2015 06:31:53 GMT

Gotta try to get votes from somewhere, labor are desperate.

Re: Bill Shorten Calls For Voting Age To Be Lowered

*kazumi* — Sat, 31 Oct 2015 11:28:41 GMT

I am all for giving kids the right, but NOT for it to be compulsory. Those who are interested could vote, while the ignorant would not have to.

Re: Bill Shorten Calls For Voting Age To Be Lowered

myoclon1cjerk — Sat, 31 Oct 2015 13:03:33 GMT

They'd have to develop a voting app first 😄

Re: Bill Shorten Calls For Voting Age To Be Lowered

kilroy_is_here — Sat, 31 Oct 2015 13:41:17 GMT

I don't know any 16 year olds who have the maturity to understand the enormity of voting , in fact I know a lot of 18 year olds who struggle with it.

Re: Bill Shorten Calls For Voting Age To Be Lowered

janeababe — Sat, 31 Oct 2015 22:32:08 GMT

@kilroy_is_here wrote:
I don't know any 16 year olds who have the maturity to understand the enormity of voting , in fact I know a lot of 18 year olds who struggle with it.

plenty of 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 ...... year olds struggle with it too......

Re: Bill Shorten Calls For Voting Age To Be Lowered

springyzone — Sat, 31 Oct 2015 23:14:19 GMT

He's only calling for it as he thinks his party would pick up more voters from that age group.

I noticed he made the claim some of them pay taxes so they should get a vote.

Well, some 2 year olds might have to pay taxes in some circumstances, so i can't see that that is any reasonable argument.

The basic fact though is most 16 year olds do not pay taxes. If they commit crimes they are not even tried in an adult court, their names are not published in the paper. They can't be sent off to war, they aren't old enough to drink, drive or marry.

In other words, they are not considered adults in any other area.

Over the last few years, I have noticed a huge movement towards the rights of children. (I was in education & this movement was very much in vogue where children 'choose' what they want to know or learn about). I am all for children's rights in some areas but voting in my opinion is for adults..

Re: Bill Shorten Calls For Voting Age To Be Lowered

zanadoo_56 — Sat, 31 Oct 2015 23:58:10 GMT

@*kazumi* wrote:
I am all for giving kids the right, but NOT for it to be compulsory. Those who are interested could vote, while the ignorant would not have to.

And so the disenchanted wouldn't have to vote either.

I'd love to fogo voting in an election until there is someone (and some policies) actually worth voting for.

Re: Bill Shorten Calls For Voting Age To Be Lowered

moonflyte — Sun, 01 Nov 2015 01:05:14 GMT

He's desperate but Labor will have to stick with him even knowing, he will lead them into defeat.

Re: Bill Shorten Calls For Voting Age To Be Lowered

monman12 — Sun, 01 Nov 2015 03:33:38 GMT

500,000 people aged 18 to 24 are not registered to vote

ABC Jul 2013

"There's a lot of personality politics going on and not so much focusing on policies, and I think that kind of deters young people from wanting to vote."

"The Australian Electoral Commission estimated that 1.22 million eligible people were not enrolled to vote for the 2013 federal election. Around 400,000 of these were young voters who had failed to enrol.

Perhaps someone should tell Shorten , whilst these people have not enrolled, if they do "join" , they will not pay weekly dues so there will be no funds to nick!

Re: Bill Shorten Calls For Voting Age To Be Lowered

debra9275 — Sun, 01 Nov 2015 04:21:41 GMT

speaking of 'nicking' funds

did the LIbs ever get their money back from their state director?

The Liberal Party has been dealt a devastating blow after allegations former Victorian state director Damien Mantach embezzled up to $1.5 million worth of party funds.

I'm not sure on the low voting age, but I think kids that age are far more wordly now than they used to be... also, they are old enough to work

Re: Bill Shorten Calls For Voting Age To Be Lowered

moonflyte — Sun, 01 Nov 2015 06:30:59 GMT

Hes worse than that gadfly Dastayri, flitting here and flitting there dropping a populist thought bubble wherever he lands.

Re: Bill Shorten Calls For Voting Age To Be Lowered

icyfroth — Sun, 01 Nov 2015 06:59:04 GMT

They're like a bunch of 16yo's they way they run their party lol...

Re: Bill Shorten Calls For Voting Age To Be Lowered

moonflyte — Sun, 01 Nov 2015 07:22:25 GMT

Poor Used Bill, he prefaces everything he says with “ I believe ”, well guess what Overdue Bill? nobody believes you comrade.

Re: Bill Shorten Calls For Voting Age To Be Lowered

myoclon1cjerk — Sun, 01 Nov 2015 08:30:35 GMT

Who cares? Tony Thatcher's gone 😄

Re: Bill Shorten Calls For Voting Age To Be Lowered

lyndal1838 — Sun, 01 Nov 2015 16:54:39 GMT

@springyzone wrote:

I noticed he made the claim some of them pay taxes so they should get a vote.

Well, some 2 year olds might have to pay taxes in some circumstances, so i can't see that that is any reasonable argument.

My 5 and 9 year olds paid tax on an inheritance they received from their great grandmother. It sat in the bank for a while and tax was levied on every dollar of interest at (I think) 66%. It was wicked, but who in their right mind would would think that a 5 and 9 year old should get a vote just because they paid a hefty tax rate.

We very quickly found another investment that effectively cut out the tax

Re: Bill Shorten Calls For Voting Age To Be Lowered

moonflyte — Sun, 01 Nov 2015 21:40:10 GMT

Poor Cancelled Bill is so desperate that he now wants teens to vote hoping that he can twitter them into voting Labor.

Every time he opens his mouth (and that's for interminable long and mind numbing "announcements") he's digging a deeper hole for himself.

He refuses to answer questions, he's moderated himself to the extent that he's made himself even more hollow that he was before.

I wonder what Plib and Albo are doing behind the scenes?